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Ginsburg Opinion Could Aid Trump in N.Y. Fraud Case

Former President Donald Trump's appeal of the $454 million civil fraud judgment against him in New York could be helped by an opinion written by the late Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

Ginsburg in February 2019 wrote the majority opinion in Timbs v. Indiana, in which the high court voted 9-0 to find that the Eighth Amendment is applicable to the states.

The justices ruled against Indiana, which was seeking to confiscate defendant Tyson Timbs' $42,000 Land Rover, for assessing a fine that was "grossly disproportionate" to the gravity of the offense.

The Land Rover's value was more than four times the maximum $10,000 fine that Timbs was liable for in a criminal case that involved controlled substances and conspiracy to commit theft, Independent Journal Review reported.

"The Eighth Amendment's Excessive Fines Clause is an incorporated protection applicable to the States under the Fourteenth Amendment's Due Process Clause," the justices found.

"The prohibition embodied in the Excessive Fines Clause carries forward protections found in sources from Magna Carta to the English Bill of Rights to state constitutions from the colonial era to the present day," Ginsburg argued in the case. "Protection against excessive fines has been a constant shield throughout Anglo-American history for good reason: Such fines undermine other liberties."

Ginsburg added that such fines "can be used, e.g., to retaliate against or chill the speech of political enemies."

Trump has appealed the New York civil fraud judgment, challenging Judge Arthur Engoron's finding that the former president lied about his wealth as he grew the real estate empire that launched him to stardom and the presidency.

Trump's lawyers filed a notice of appeal Monday asking the state's mid-level appeals court to overturn Engoron's Feb. 16 verdict in New York Attorney General Letitia James' lawsuit.

The attorneys wrote that they're asking the appeals court to decide if Engoron "committed errors of law and/or fact" and whether he abused his discretion and/or his jurisdiction.

Trump, who has denied all wrongdoing, owes $355 million in fines and about $100 million in accrued interest that continues to grow.

Ginsburg told the The New York Times in July 2016: "I can't imagine what this place would be — I can't imagine what the country would be — with Donald Trump as our president."

"For the country, it could be four years. For the court, it could be — I don't even want to contemplate that," she said.




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^^^ Mark Levin covered the Timbs case on his show on Sunday as well...

https://rumble.com/v4fvfg3-pro...?mref=ah9c7&mc=cfcoh




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Bradley has been prepped heavily



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Not terribly bright either - comes across as willfully ignorant
 
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He recalls little details but just not the actual pertinent info.

I DO NOT RECALL

His lawyer is feeding him answers through his bitchy objections. Testifying for the witness



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"We've been tricked, we've been backstabbed, and we've been quite possibly, bamboozled."
 
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SMDH - With really bad memories.



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A former Trump assistant describes a Trump run RNC.

https://twitter.com/_johnnymag...sistance-day-1134%2F



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The state's next witness, another attorney.



Oh lawdy, they certainly have some, ahem, colorful lawyers in Georgia.

And it does appear that the judge allowed the additional evidence, the cell phone data, to be submitted.

ETA:Actually I'm not 100% sure about that. Perhaps someone else can verify it.


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Jeb! comes to The Donald's defense? Eek

Somebody check the temperature in hell.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/t...ts-business-266a5559

Elon Musk and Donald Trump Cases Imperil the Rule of Law
American prosperity rests on equal justice. Delaware and New York judges have called it into question.

By Jeb Bush and Joe Lonsdale
Feb. 21, 2024 2:14 pm ET

The U.S. is the business capital of the world in large part because of its robust constitutional system and impartial judiciary. But two unprecedented legal decisions, against Donald Trump in New York and Elon Musk in Delaware, call that into question. In both cases, judges have ordered massive punitive judgments on behalf of dubious or nonexistent “victims.”

Every American has a right to be critical of Mr. Trump’s politics—one of us ran against him in 2016—or Mr. Musk’s public persona. But equality before the law is precious, and these rulings represent a crisis not only for the soundness of our courts, but for the business environment that has allowed the U.S. to prosper. If these rulings stand, the damage could cascade through the economy, creating fear of arbitrary enforcement against entrepreneurs who seek public office or raise their voices as citizens in a way that politicians dislike.

In Delaware, Chancellor Kathaleen McCormick of the Court of Chancery ordered the unwinding of five years of Mr. Musk’s incentive-based compensation at Tesla, which had been approved by 80% of the company’s shareholders. The plaintiff, Richard Tornetta, held nine shares in 2018—worth about $200 then and $2,000 today, after the execution of the compensation plan that supposedly injured him.

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That's an ass whooping.

https://twitter.com/IAPolls202.../1762649761511768498



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She'll once again proclaim that she's staying in. I don't think she comprehends how much damage she's doing to herself.

This is the part where someone tells me it's all about the money and how she'll be rewarded after she drops out, etc.

I don't buy it.
 
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Well, you can't blame her campaign staff for not telling her how it is. If she drops out, they lose their jobs. As long as she's still in and the money is flowing, the staff keep getting paychecks. Maybe she has a close friend or family member who will pull her aside and tell her what she's doing to herself. I still think she's getting paid or promises of getting paid to stay in.
 
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I still think she's getting paid or promises of getting paid to stay in.
Yeah, everybody says that.
 
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The media has already called both races, ~11-12% reporting, we’ll know percentages later.


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Jeb! comes to The Donald's defense? Eek

Somebody check the temperature in hell.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/t...ts-business-266a5559

Can you post the entire article? It's behind a paywall.

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I heard it om Newsmax but found it here for reading.

Jeb Bush on the injustice

In an op-ed at The Wall Street Journal, Jeb Bush and Joe Londsdale authored an op-ed railing against the absurd punitive judgment against Donald Trump in a Manhattan civil court and against a case in Delaware against Elon Mush.

“The U.S. is the business capital of the world in large part because of its robust constitutional system and impartial judiciary. But two unprecedented legal decisions against Donald Trump in New York and Elon Musk in Delaware call that into question. In both cases, judges have ordered massive punitive judgments on behalf of dubious or nonexistent “victims,” they wrote.

“Every American has a right to be critical of Mr. Trump’s politics—one of us ran against him in 2016,” reads Bush’s op-ed, titled, “Elon Musk and Donald Trump Cases Imperil the Rule of Law.”

“…But equality before the law is precious, and these rulings represent a crisis not only for the soundness of our courts, but for the business environment that has allowed the U.S. to prosper,” the opinion piece continued. “If these rulings stand, the damage could cascade through the economy, creating fear of arbitrary enforcement against entrepreneurs who seek public office or raise their voices as citizens in a way that politicians dislike.”

More at link


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I heard it om Newsmax but found it here for reading.

Thank you sir!

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Poor David Axelrod. His greatest fears are looming up tonight.

What a happy-looking panel.

https://twitter.com/LeeMZeldin.../1762692269969154080



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