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Originally posted by downtownv:
This is all just political theater.

No it is not, this is the Democrats at the State and Federal level subverting the Constitution and American Justice system to eliminate political challengers and those who won’t follow their agenda. This isn’t political theater it’s third world dictatorships actions, not the rule of law prescribed by the Constitution .

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https://twitter.com/adamfranci.../1698161419424821607

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Lol

Switching gears:

"Speeding towards assassination"

More than once, Carlson has indicated that he believes that the assassination of JFK was a conspiracy involving elements of the U.S. Government.

Unequivocally, emphatically and completely, I disagree with this. Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, without any prompting or support from any entity, governmental or otherwise, and without the prompting or support of any individual. One man, one rifle.

Now, having said that (and letting everyone here know that my statement is not an overture to discuss the Kennedy assassination, nor will we do so, as it has been discussed at length in other extant threads in this forum), I do believe that in terms of the threat to Donald Trump, Carlson's assessment is spot-on.

They didn't take him seriously in 2016, and after he won, they immediately began moving towards impeachment. They impeached him twice on ridiculous charges. They've harassed the man non-stop, accused him of every kind of crime and foul behavior they think might stick. They've indicted him multiple times, and each time they have done so, his popularity has grown. The corrupt jackass fools in Fulton County made the mistake of issuing a mug shot, and in doing so, they have managed to create even more support, and from unlikely segments of our society.

Given all of that, what is the next logical step with our entirely corrupted and criminal government?

>>IF<< this happens:

It will be made to appear as the actions of a lone nutcase, but we will see through it. Subsequently, an uprising will occur, the likes of which no living American has ever witnessed. Other deaths will follow, most of them retaliatory in nature, and this will give the government reason to suspend the Constitution and enact martial law. The machinery of government will cease to function in any meaningful way, and this will lead to war in this nation after an interval of months or more likely years.

Longtime members and readers of this forum should know that I am not an alarmist and not given to melodramatic display. I am saying that at no time within living memory of this nation have we been closer to what I have described.

It shouldn't be necessary for me to say the following, but as sure as I'm typing this, some will read my words and try to make them into something they are not, and so I say to you that I do not wish for any of these things to occur. My hope is that the coming election will reveal that the American people have finally had enough, and that Donald Trump will once again assume the office of the Presidency, but conditions for the alternative I have described are simply too possible to ignore.

Agree ⬆︎⬆︎
He has been too big to take down and "the machine" needs to eliminate that threat for their existence to continue. They will fail at this and THAT will be their destruction.

And the hits just keep coming, this stuff is never going to stop, which is the purpose of the actions, and this time by a R candidate for POTUS... Proof it's the establishment not just the Left that is out for DJT...

Supreme Court to Decide Whether to Kick Trump Off Ballot

Story by Katherine Fung • 2h

he legal debate about whether or not former President Donald Trump should be allowed to appear on the 2024 ballot has made its way before the Supreme Court.

The court distributed John Castro v. Donald Trump to the justices for conference on Wednesday ahead of the upcoming term, which will begin on October 2. Conference is to take place on September 26 and the case is expected to be decided on or before October 9.

Castro, a tax attorney running for the Republican nomination next year, sent his petition to the Supreme Court last month, asking the justices to answer whether political candidates can challenge the eligibility of another candidate of the same party running for the same nomination "based on a political competitive injury in the form a diminution of votes."

The lawsuit is seeking to argue that Trump should not be allowed to run for the White House based on section three of the 14th Amendment, which disqualifies individuals from holding public office if they have "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" against the United States. While Trump has not been charged with insurrection, Castro is pointing to Trump's role in the January 6 Capitol riot.

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Honestly, that case needs to be heard, and put to bed once and for all.

DJT hasn't been convicted of anything, at least yet, and the argument that he needn't be convicted of "insurection" to be removed from the ballots is absurd. He hasn't even been charged with that for Gods sake. I highly doubt the SCOTUS will rule the Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment argument is valid because of that.

“Engaged in insurrection or rebellion”, whatever.

Agree, but it's not about winning the case(s) against DJT but keeping him in court, spending millions on defense and not on campaigning, and using court orders to sequester his speech in order to tone down his events, what he can and cannot say.

Restricting speech, tied up in courts spending campaign funds, time away from campaign, and for the tv people giving them news bits to keep the negative message about DJT in front of the populace, hoping to convert the I vote to stay home or if possible vote for Buydem....

When it's over (the election) all of this will go away, all the lawsuit will end, be dropped and out of the news cycle should DJT not be elected.

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When it's over (the election) all of this will go away, all the lawsuit will end, be dropped and out of the news cycle should DJT not be elected.

Fair, but, he can't win PERIOD if he's not on the ballot. I truly do understand the lawfare aspect.

I'm saying it needs to be settled for histories sake, just to get people to STFU.

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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When it's over (the election) all of this will go away, all the lawsuit will end, be dropped and out of the news cycle should DJT not be elected.

Fair, but, he can't win PERIOD if he's not on the ballot. I truly do understand the lawfare aspect.

I'm saying it needs to be settled for histories sake, just to get people to STFU.

Oh yeah we agree on that as well, it needs to be settled and put out of the news cycle, as much as that is possible.

This stuff is designed to stay out there, one after the other, keep hitting with lawsuits, and the sad thing is they are using taxpayer money to influence an election as well as intimidate anyone who would support DJT, so nobody in the future does this again.

It's why I hoped Desantis had held back and let DJT take this on, defeat it, win, start working hard on cleaning up DC and then come in after and continue the policies.

Hopefully that will be the end result.

All of this 14th Amendment talk about “insurrection” is bogus. I am not a Constitutional scholar but I have studied American History for over 50 years.

One of the sections of the 14th Amendment was specifically written to prohibit individuals who had previously taken an Oath of Office to the USA, and who had later renounced that Oath and then served the Confederacy whether as a civil authority or in the Confederate military (Army or Navy), from regaining citizenship without a pardon or other legal action.

Jefferson Davis, former CSA President had previously served as Franklin Pierce’s Secretary of War and also as a Senator from Mississippi. Yes, he was held as a prisoner after the Civil War, but even he was NEVER CHARGED WITH TREASON nor INSURRECTION, nor tried in court, and was later released.

As DJT was still the President of the USA on January 6, 2021, and as such was in full Executive Authority of the Federal Government. How can someone who was in charge of the Federal Government lead an insurrection against that which he was in charge? He didn’t call for a mob revolution to overthrow the Federal Government and install a dictatorship. He called for PEACEFUL PROTEST at the Capitol Building, which is (was) protected by the 1st Amendment.

We are at time in History which no one alive has ever seen, but have only read about. This latest version of the “Fourth Turning” will be the most critical one since 1860. No one knows how it will turn out, but if History is any clue it will be very dramatic.

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Originally posted by 2BobTanner:
We are at time in History which no one alive has ever seen, but have only read about. This latest version of the “Fourth Turning” will be the most critical one since 1860. No one knows how it will turn out, but if History is any clue it will be very dramatic.

And I surely do hope that some high school kid in a History class 100 years from now is able to say, "Wow, we sure dodged a bullet back then."

Sorry for being late guys. had a medical emergency right after the holiday. All good for now.

Joey D
9/4/23

I can't help but think the more they try to harass more and more people, the public opinion against these leftists can only go down down down!

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...gn=nl&recip=26773771

Fulton County Grand Jury Voted to Indict an Insane List of Republican Targets

Georgia Judge Robert McBurney ordered the full Fulton County grand jury report to be published on Friday morning and it reveals that the panel wanted to indict even more individuals than ultimately found themselves dragged into the case alongside former President Donald Trump.

As we already knew, the grand jury handed up indictments against Trump and 18 of his associates including Mark Meadows, Sidney Powell, Rudy Giuliani, Jenna Ellis, and Kenneth Chesebro in the late night hours of August 14.

But, according to the now-released grand jury report originally dated December 15, 2022, there were additional individuals the panel recommended indictments against. In all, the report shows that indictments were suggested against 21 other individuals against whom charges were not ultimately pursued by Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis.

Among the individuals the grand jury wanted to add to its laundry list of indictment individuals are U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), attorneys Cleta Mitchell and Boris Epshteyn, former U.S. Senators for Georgia David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler, former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn, and the full slate of "alternate electors."

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Jan 6 Prisoner Says He Was Jailed for 22 Years after Refusing Biden DOJ’s Demand to Lie about Trump

https://slaynews.com/news/jan-...oj-demand-lie-trump/

Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio says he received a staggering 22-year prison sentence in his Jan. 6 case because he refused to agree to demands from the Department of Justice (DOJ) to lie about President Donald Trump.

According to Tarrio, Democrat President Joe Biden’s DOJ demanded that he give a false statement linking Trump to Jan. 6 in exchange for a reduced sentence.

However, when Tarrio refused to take the deal, the court threw the book at him.

Tarrio was sentenced to 22 years in prison for the protests in Washington D.C., despite the fact that he wasn’t even at the Capitol on January 6, 2021.

“They asked me to LIE about President Trump in order to indict him,” Enrique Tarrio said.

“I told them to pound sand, and because I refused to lie about President Trump it cost me twenty-two years of my life.”

“The truth is, I could have been home,” said Tarrio.

“I could have been home a long time ago.

“I could be in my warm ass bed right now, laughing at the world, without a problem…and all I had to do in order to do that WAS LIE ABOUT TRUMP.

“All I had to do was confirm a lie.”

The now-convicted Jan. 6 defendant then averred that the DOJ was trying to orchestrate a case tying Trump to the events at the Capitol with false testimony.

He added that DOJ prosecutors attempted to coerce him into signing a false statement that would implicate Trump.

The statement, he revealed, would have seen him going on the record by swearing that “through several degrees of separation and connections, Tarrio had communicated with Trump regarding ‘plans’ for January 6th.”

On Friday night, Tarrio repeated his accusations against the Biden admin during a “Twitter Space.”

He disclosed the names of two Biden officials who were in the meeting where he was pressured to lie about Trump.

During that meeting, Tarrio says federal agents told him to sign a sworn statement to falsely claim that Trump helped to orchestrate Jan. 6.

Tarrio revealed that DOJ Lead Prosecutor Jocelyn Ballantine and Assistant U.S. Attorney Jason McCullough both attended the meeting.

Ballantine previously served as a DOJ attorney assigned to General Michael Flynn’s prosecution.

The DOJ previously admitted to tampering with evidence in Flynn’s case.

The evidence tampering revelations led to the eventual dismissal of charges against Flynn.

During a separate DOJ inquiry into disgraced former FBI officials Peter Strzok and Andrew McCabe, Ballantine also faced allegations of dishonesty.

Notably, she continues to hold a prominent position in Biden’s weaponized DOJ.

Attorney Jason McCullough recently implored jurors to find the Proud Boys guilty of seditious conspiracy.

Tarrio provided the names for further investigation.

However, he says there still needs to be “smoking gun” evidence provided to the public in order to prove his allegations.

Well I made the mistake of mentioning media bias against Trump on an international forum which got the libs there lathered up. Here's one reply.

"He cheated on (one of) his wive with a porn star. He has been found liable for sexual assault, as well as admitting on tape that he can't help kissing beautiful women and that he grabbed them by the genitals.
He lambasted Obama for playing too much golf and then spent more time playing golf. He said that anyone who pleads the fifth amendment is guilty and hiding it yet used that defence repeatedly. He criticises Hunter and Joe Biden's relationship and yet put Jared Kushner and his daughter into front line roles in the White House - who then promptly got billions from the Saudi government.
All of this is public record - no media spin on these points."

Beyond hope.

Where is the money coming from?


Fani Willis bankrolls private attorney for Trump prosecution: 'Certainly unorthodox'

https://www.washingtonexaminer...pays-outside-counsel

Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis has paid massive sums to private sector attorneys for their services, and a portion of those relate to investigating and prosecuting former President Donald Trump, according to county records.

Nathan Wade, Willis’s lead prosecutor in the case, has raked in more than half a million dollars from the Fulton County District Attorney's Office from January 2022 to August 2023, according to a payment history.

Christopher Campbell, Wade's colleague at Wade & Campbell Firm, has been paid $116,670 from April 2021 to August 2023, the same records show.

Terrence Bradley, a former colleague of Wade's, was paid $74,480 from May 2021 to June 2022, according to the records.

Wade, a defense attorney who can bill by the hour, was hand-picked by Willis roughly two years ago to serve as special prosecutor in the Trump case. Wade is a former Cobb County judge who ran for Cobb County Superior Court and was defeated in 2012, 2014, and 2016. Willis chose Wade over career prosecutors who work on salaries, and while the legalities of that have not been questioned at this stage, some, like Phil Holloway, an Atlanta-based attorney for more than two decades, have found the use of Wade to be "unorthodox.

"It’s certainly unorthodox and appears to be a cash cow for any lawyer paid by the hour," Holloway said. "I’ve been practicing criminal law in Georgia for 24 years, and I’ve never seen such an arrangement."

Willis, who began investigating Trump in February 2021, indicted the former president and 18 co-defendants last month on racketeering charges, alleging they had conspired to illegally overturn the results of the 2020 election in Georgia.

One of the co-defendants, former Georgia GOP Chairman David Shafer, highlighted in a court filing on Thursday the hefty payments to private prosecutors, asking for Judge Scott McAfee to schedule a hearing "regarding improper contact by special prosecutor's law firm."

Shafer included in the filing an advertisement he had received from Wade's firm soliciting clients who needed help with criminal defense needs, including "impersonating a public officer," a charge leveled against Shafer.

The advertisement, while sent in the form of a standard mailer, presented an awkward scenario where a private attorney was offering defense services to a person he was prosecuting.

Shafer's attorney in the court filing said it also violated an "anti-contact" rule, noting that "the harassing, or mocking and intimidating nature of the firm’s communication with Mr. Shafer causes grave injury to the appearance of fairness and propriety of this proceeding."

Aside from the issue of the advertisement, Holloway observed that Wade could skirt the typical obligations of public servants while working as outsourced counsel.

"For starters, it avoids the statutory requirements for the appointment of assistant district attorneys, who are paid a fixed salary, and also avoids the administration of an oath of office," Holloway said. "The oath of office is intended to protect the public from malfeasance by public officials and carries a criminal penalty if violated."

The use of Wade could also impact morale in Willis's office because in-house staff could feel that Willis finds them "incapable," Holloway warned.

Willis’s office did not respond to multiple requests for comment on this story.

Georgia-based defense attorney Andrew Fleischman has also brought attention to the cost of Wade and his firm, writing on social media about how the exorbitant payments have been made "to a dude who has never tried a RICO case."

Fleischman indicated in another social media statement that he found the payments to Wade "troubling," particularly in light of what he described as the "massive backlog of cases" at the district attorney's office.

A person familiar with the Fulton County district attorney's office told the Washington Examiner he believed the payments to Wade and the others were not "getting the play that it should" in the media.

"Why is someone who is already on the government payroll not handling this?" he asked of the Trump case.

The person, who otherwise spoke highly of Willis and called her "smart as hell," said the use of Wade "doesn't feel right" and that "these are the taxpayers footing this. It's very strange."

Willis brought Wade on only “after several candidates turned her down,” according to the New York Times. The outlet did not specify which candidates Willis had attempted to bring on, noting that Wade was an "old friend" of Willis's.

Wade also "mentored [Willis] when she briefly served as chief magistrate judge in South Fulton," according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Wade's office did not respond to a request for comment.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Jan 6 Prisoner Says He Was Jailed for 22 Years after Refusing Biden DOJ’s Demand to Lie about Trump

This guy got 22 years and he wasn't even in DC on January 6th???

JP

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Originally posted by jprebb:
This guy got 22 years and he wasn't even in DC on January 6th???
JP

Yes