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Originally posted by Rick Lee:
Does anyone else here think Roberts is running afoul of the Const. by refusing to preside over the trial?

An interesting question that prompts me to offer an opinion rather than simply ignoring much of the other unending mental masturbation concerning topics most people know literally nothing about.

I read a recent opinion piece explaining in some detail why the impeachment process was clearly intended to be used to remove a serving official from office, nothing more, and the plain language of the Constitution convinces me that that analysis is correct. Yes, others have argued otherwise, but we have heard official arguments over the meaning of the word “is,” so arguments can be advanced to support virtually any position. In fact, Roberts’ refusal didn’t surprise me in the slightest because I expected it.

Many people here argue that individual police officers should decide on the spot whether an order or statute is unconstitutional and thereby decide on their own whether they will obey their oaths to enforce the laws as they were hired to do. They are supposedly supposed to do that regardless of any contrary guidance or directives they may receive from elected officials, agency heads, or legal advisers. Other people, especially military veterans, will point out that a private soldier is required to disobey patently illegal orders: “Sorry, general, I can’t do that.”

If all those beliefs are valid, how much more obligation does someone like a Supreme Court justice have to refuse to obey a request or demand that appears to be unconstitutional on its face even to someone like me? Like anything else, his refusal could be challenged in court and subject to formal judicial review—up to and including the entire Supreme Court. What’s more, if Donald Trump committed crimes that are subject to the normal process of our criminal justice system, he could be charged normally. If he did things that the electorate merely found reprehensible rather than criminal, they can demonstrate their displeasure by never voting for him ever again.

The impeachment farce is nothing more than blatant corruption of a vital constitutional process for partisan political purposes and like so many things we have seen in recent times merely demonstrates how much closer the nation is to becoming a third world cesspit. If this sort of thing is allowed to become the norm, where does it end? Why not impeach Hillary Clinton for the national security crimes she committed as Secretary of State so that she would be disqualified from ever holding Federal office again? That would actually tickle me pink, except for the horrible political precedent it would set.

Good info and viewpoints - thanks.

Stating the obvious but its good to shout it from the rooftops.

Spot on! But the demonrats can't handle the truth.


New Trump slogan: SAVE AMERICA

All this effort in 2nd impeachment and trail for conviction of said impeachment proves, is that Trump Derangement Syndrome is stronger and more lasting in its effects upon a person than the Chicom virus.

The tin foil hat crowd is physiologically healthier than the TDS crowd.

Chief Justice Roberts not participating in this circus is interesting indeed. It appears even he as a swampish creature, seems to have limits as to unconstitutional behavior by some legislative creatures.

It's almost if the Chief Justice is sending the TDS crowd a message of "You will need to come to the Courts to force me to participate at which point we, the court, can declare this charade unconstitutional."

2021 is going to be a nuts as 2020. Maybe our soaring Eagle friend needs to start a new thread:

The Office of the Trump Presidency : Year I

OK, now to go hide, cause I once saw a Raptor bird of prey snatch a squirrel with its talons - happened so fast I had to do a double take to realize what I had witnessed.

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Originally posted by signewt:
[QUOTE] would be as strongly polluted by trickery as the recent election.

Republicans control a majority of state legislatures. State legislatures control how “commissioners” are chosen. Commissioners are only allowed to make suggestions. State legislatures must ratify any resulting suggestions to amend the Constitution. Every swing State legislature joined the Texas lawsuit, complaining that the election was unconstitutionally stollen.

Don’t like the word fear? How about apprehension?

What path do you advocate as a path forward? It seems to me that other paths are less viable but maybe you see a better path?

The ship of state is not only off course, it is taking on water. How do you propose to fix that in your confident, non-naive view of things?

Maybe you haven’t determined one yet. Is this a case of “there’s something bad about this path but all other paths are worse?”

I know of no one stronger and more resilient than President Trump. He couldn’t prevail over the administrative state and I don’t see election integrity as fixing the problems. Isn’t it high time to lend him a hand?

This is just my opinion and my opinion only, I am actually enjoying and having fun with Trump not in office right now. With all the FRACK UPS that Biden is making, I am enjoying pointing it out to my Biden loving and voting friends. Most of them do not know what to say or are speechless LOL !!! God Bless !!!

^^^Honestly, no matter how much enjoyment you may be experiencing, I'd much have your TDS afflicted, 'Biden loving and voting friends' freaking out/heads exploding due to whatever Trumps was saying/doing in his second term rather that them being speechless as Biden destroys the republic one EO at a time....

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I don’t see election integrity as fixing the problems

-Whatever the successor to the GOP may be, it will have to step up its own efforts considerably.

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Originally posted by signewt:

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I don’t see election integrity as fixing the problems

-Whatever the successor to the GOP may be, it will have to step up its own efforts considerably.

Leads to the question that’s a constant companion: When is it the citizen’s time to step up? It’s OUR country.

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Originally posted by VBVAGUY:
This is just my opinion and my opinion only, I am actually enjoying and having fun with Trump not in office right now. With all the FRACK UPS that Biden is making, I am enjoying pointing it out to my Biden loving and voting friends. Most of them do not know what to say or are speechless LOL !!! God Bless !!!

in my wife's office before the election the dems were just talking it up counting down the days, now none of them are saying a word. completely speechless.

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Originally posted by XLT:

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Originally posted by VBVAGUY:
This is just my opinion and my opinion only, I am actually enjoying and having fun with Trump not in office right now. With all the FRACK UPS that Biden is making, I am enjoying pointing it out to my Biden loving and voting friends. Most of them do not know what to say or are speechless LOL !!! God Bless !!!

in my wife's office before the election the dems were just talking it up counting down the days, now none of them are saying a word. completely speechless.

I predict a lot of "voter remorse" very soon, including among the Democrats.

flashguy

Biden supporting friends and family that hated Trump and loved Biden are strangely quiet now, real quiet like the past year didn’t happen, and they all have amnesia now.

^^^^^^. Yeah, buyers remorse that we’ll to put up with for 4 years. The Democrat voter is dumber than Illinois Nazies....

I just pray that we still have a country to salvage at the end.

Definitely agree with the Buyers Remorse thought. Posted something to that effect a couple days ago on our local neighborhood app - only one reply. Crickets from the other 5-6 libs.

There is a price to be paid for being stupid. The libtards need to be made to suffer and become absolutely miserable. They need to feel the pain of their decisions and suffer the consequences.

Conservatives will survive and prosper in the end - I’m convinced that we are far more mentally agile and able to adapt.

But I won’t go out of my way to help the enemy. It needs to get worse before it gets better.

Those of us who are prepared will eventually prevail.

For myself, I hope the regressives loose everything.

https://www.breitbart.com/clip...citing-insurrection/

Rubio, swamp bitch, RINO

What prosecutor would think there's a 'reasonable likelihood of conviction' to criminally charge the President? Imagine the circus.

AZ has finally decided to do an "audit". The two companies doing the task are associated with guess who...dominion.

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Originally posted by az4783054:
AZ has finally decided to do an "audit". The two companies doing the task are associated with guess who...dominion.

Nothing at this point will validate what we all know happened. All of it is just to cover up the truth.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Originally posted by az4783054:
AZ has finally decided to do an "audit". The two companies doing the task are associated with guess who...dominion.

Nothing at this point will validate what we all know happened. All of it is just to cover up the truth.

That's probably true, but I think Dominion's libel lawsuit against Giuliani and the discovery it will entitle Giuliani to dig up could be good.

As for the AZ count, they already found a 2% error rate in one audit. They took 100 ballots for Trump, ran them through the counter and two came out switched. A 2% error rate in Maricopa County equals 60k votes and Biden's margin here was under 11k. But again, nothing to see here.