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Originally posted by Ackks:

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Originally posted by bdylan:
The Democrats don't need a third party to 'always win'. Do people really think future elections are going to now be held fairly?

They weren't able to steal FL or OH and we still have some good people in red states, so if you want to play into their hands, then start a third party. I get it, but reacting on emotion like the sky is falling won't help. It will be a lot easier to take back the GOP.

48% will vote Democrat no matter what happens. At least 10-15% of GOP voters will never go third party, especially one started by President Trump. Do the math and realize how foolish it is to start a 3rd party.

I think they didn't steal those states because they didn't try. Optics.

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Originally posted by OcCurt:

There's lots of talk of taking up arms and revolution and such. That's fantasy. We are not shooting our way out of this into something better.

What other alternative do we really have?

OcCurt...

I agree with your line of thinking... However, if you think this will be without bloodshed, I am afraid you are fooling yourself.

This was provided to me by GrumpyBiker. I have confirmed this at congress.gov. No f'en way this will not start something...

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:
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Wow, they seem awfully afraid of somebody who is supposed to be 'defeated.'

Almost like they are afraid of what might happen in the next 11 days.

They aren't grandstanding about the 'violent riots/terrorists' at the Capitol as I expected - they are doing everything they can to attack the President.

This is a good sign. The dems are still TERRIFIED of President Trump and what he might be able to accomplish.

Sounds more like vengefulness to me.

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Originally posted by az4783054:

and obiden is pushing for the President to step down now or be impeached. sounds like extortion.

https://nationalinterest.org/f...ps-impeachment-87091

this will bring a peaceful 'transfer of power'.

Uh, that biden article is from October 9, 2019.

Yup, I missed the date on the link. This link is dated today.

https://www.ibtimes.com/democr...be-impeached-3117599

He hasn't changed his tune or he's forgotten.

Hound Dog , from your lips to God's ears... sincerely.

I'm more of a glass half-empty guy. But I do believe truth will eventually triumph. It just may not happen in my life time.

I don't think the anti-Trumpers are afraid at this point. The full-on gas lighting and ultimate evisceration of Trump and his supporters have started. It's a blatant message that they own this rigged game and a warning to anyone else in the future who think they can try and upset the apple cart.

But like you, I'm still hoping for that miracle in the near term but, if it doesn't happen, I know I'll still be on the winning side in the end.

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Originally posted by sigalert:
I do believe Dominion is bluffing. This will be interesting.

Dominion Voting Systems files $1.3 billion defamation lawsuit against pro-Trump election attorney Sidney Powell

Could get interesting as that would open them up for discovery, no?

Yes, discovery will occur on both sides. Although defamation can be difficult to prove against a public figure (assuming that the company is considered a public figure) because it requires showing actual malice.

However, I do not believe it is a bluff. This lawsuit is very extensive, and citations and sources are given for every statement she made (some are which quite outlandish).

If she had the data to back up her claims, she needed to provide it when it mattered, not later when she is defending herself against a defamation lawsuit. That is what makes me think the data doesn't exist.

I think most of this would be a non-issue if we had the press was honest across the board. It seems like it might be easier to bring them to their knees somehow so they can do the job of draining the swamp.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:
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Wow, they seem awfully afraid of somebody who is supposed to be 'defeated.'

Almost like they are afraid of what might happen in the next 11 days.

They aren't grandstanding about the 'violent riots/terrorists' at the Capitol as I expected - they are doing everything they can to attack the President.

This is a good sign. The dems are still TERRIFIED of President Trump and what he might be able to accomplish.

Sounds more like vengefulness to me.

That's exactly it, and to continue the narrative that the Right is the hate group of the country....

This is going to be the narrative through 2024

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Originally posted by TAllen01:

If she had the data to back up her claims, she needed to provide it when it mattered, not later when she is defending herself against a defamation lawsuit. That is what makes me think the data doesn't exist.

I believe it exists.
I am sure it was attempted to be entered in court proceedings but either from legal loopholes for the defense or biased judges have largely squashed every attempt.
The swamp is very powerful.

If the life of our Nation at the moment were in a movie; it's time for Frodo to throw the Ring into the Fires of Mount Doom.

Regarding the Pelosi "codes" and Biden "step down", invoking the 25th et al.

Do not take the bait.

It is more likely these fucksticks are stirring the pot trying to incite people to violence.

I believe they would love nothing more than to have a violent enough event that would justify implementing some of the further infringing of people's freedom and liberty.

They have broadcast this agenda openly, on many occasions and recorded. Schumer and his "Georgia first and then the world!", Klobachar and her "I want to be Queen..." and more.

Keep your eye on their hands, the ball is a distraction. The game is not what you think it is. These people are treacherous, and people who have not taken a firm and solid stand of what they believe and why they believe it, are being blown around like tumbleweeds in a windstorm.

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Originally posted by HRK:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:
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Wow, they seem awfully afraid of somebody who is supposed to be 'defeated.'

Almost like they are afraid of what might happen in the next 11 days.

They aren't grandstanding about the 'violent riots/terrorists' at the Capitol as I expected - they are doing everything they can to attack the President.

This is a good sign. The dems are still TERRIFIED of President Trump and what he might be able to accomplish.

Sounds more like vengefulness to me.

That's exactly it, and to continue the narrative that the Right is the hate group of the country....

This is going to be the narrative through 2024

Yes, revenge for not letting HRC win and for upsetting their gravy train for the last 4 years.

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However, if you think this will be without bloodshed, I am afraid you are fooling yourself.

There's already been violence, and there will be more coming. Never said there wouldn't. But things are going to have to get far, far worse than they are now for widespread, organized, revolution-level shooting to occur.

Some Democrats, such as "the squad" (and even a few Republicans) are ready to push things to that level, but despite the talk and rhetoric they a small minority who are already largely marginalized and disregarded by the Swamp.

What the Swamp wants more than anything is to get back business as usual. Pushing half the country into open and armed revolt really isn't in the cards.

Can things go pear shaped and end up at that point? Sure. But it's going to take some epic levels of stupidity, underestimation and outright fucking up on all sides.

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Originally posted by roberth:

Yes, revenge for not letting HRC win and for upsetting their gravy train for the last 4 years.

And don't forget trying to get people afraid of President Trump to make the 'transition' to a harris I mean biden administration more appealing. This is utter BS - saying they are afraid President Trump is 'unhinged' and will start WWIII if the brave dems don't stop him.

Poppycock - the military would ignore any such rogue order, and queen nancy knows it. She did this for the express purpose of scaring (terrifying, more likely) people into turning against the President.

This is low, even for the dems.

From the article, so people needn't give clicks to bloomberg:

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(Bloomberg) -- House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the nation’s top military officer assured her safeguards are in place in case President Donald Trump seeks to initiate a nuclear strike -- something he has the sole authority to do. Pelosi relayed the assurance on a call with Democrats on Friday afternoon, without providing more details, according to a person who heard the briefing. She said she asked because many lawmakers and other Americans had expressed concern. The comments came after Pelosi said in a letter to fellow Democrats that she spoke to General Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, about “available precautions for preventing an unstable president from initiating military hostilities or accessing the launch codes and ordering a nuclear strike.”

“The situation of this unhinged President could not be more dangerous, and we must do everything that we can to protect the American people from his unbalanced assault on our country and our democracy,” Pelosi said in the letter. Colonel Dave Butler, a spokesman for the Joint Chiefs, said only that Pelosi initiated the call with the chairman and “he answered her questions regarding the process of nuclear command authority.” The extraordinary request came as Pelosi and Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer are calling on Vice President Mike Pence to invoke the 25th Amendment to have the cabinet remove Trump from office over his encouragement of the mob that stormed the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday.

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In her letter, Pelosi also urged congressional Republicans to urge Trump to depart office immediately. “Nearly fifty years ago, after years of enabling their rogue President, Republicans in Congress finally told President Nixon that it was time to go,” Pelosi wrote, referring to the late Senator Barry Goldwater of Arizona and others.

She said that if Trump doesn’t leave office, the House may move to impeach him again. In a conference call Friday with House Democrats, Pelosi said Trump is a dangerous man and that moving forward with impeachment could encourage his advisers to get him to resign.

This blatant dishonesty makes me physically ill.

This was provided to me by GrumpyBiker. I have confirmed this at congress.gov. No f'en way this will not start something...

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Dang man. Those proposals are ugly. And they are just the beginning.

biden, harris, and roberts are all going to be gunning for zippys gun salesman of the year award.

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Originally posted by highroundcount:

Dang man. Those proposals are ugly. And they are just the beginning.

biden, harris, and roberts are all going to be gunning for zippys gun salesman of the year award.

Yep... Just the start. Nothing to stop them either. Republicans will scream and yell, but can't stop them.

Wait until neighbors start calling on neighbors indicating they are not storing guns properly or reports you have too much unregistered ammo.

Lawful order or not, that is my line in the sand. Actually, all of these represent a line in the sand even though some do not apply directly to me.

It's not 'emotion' to conclude that the Republic has been lost. It may take the two-party loyalist a few years to figure out they are enslaved. It was a good run.

Starting a third party will turn Texas Blue

Nice write up from author Larry Correia's FB page.

Larry Correia
Yesterday at 12:31 PM ·
This was a comment I made in someone else’s post yesterday, but then it started getting shared:

I don't even like Trump, but I've spent the last four years getting screamed at by angry people for defending him, when I'm actually usually just defending basic reality.

Oh, we are so fucked. Today is nothing. It's probably going to get worse, because we're on a road that I can't see any off ramps.

Sorry, here comes a rant.

People are confused and constantly bombarded by conflicting information, some correct, some bullshit, and nobody knows what to believe because nobody trusts the people we are supposed to be able to trust. Then we have a super powerful global media complex that straight up gas lights everyone, and we're shocked the people have lost trust in information sources.

Then when people have valid concerns, they get mocked, belittled, and insulted. They get gas lighted and told what they've seen with their own eyes didn't happen, and then they're "fact checked" with things that are basically a list of excuses generated by partisans who have zero clue what they're talking about.

Repeat that daily, for literally every topic, and you get to a point where nobody trusts anybody and we have massive competing groups that can't even agree on basic pieces of relative truth anymore. And social media then rubs that in everyone's face, so we don't feel any commonality with our countrymen.

But that's basically because we are several different countries crammed into one. As a people we've got two primary philosophies with a bunch of offshoots of those two, except they are mutually exclusive and cannot exist at the same time. So instead we get a muddled mixture of nonsensical bullshit that isn't really either, but is primarily a vehicle that exists to benefit the same people who benefit from our totally untrustworthy information sources.

Then let's have a global pandemic, make everybody poorer, put them out of work, make everything they would normally do to blow off steam illegal, and once again if they express any concerns about this situation and the conflicting information presented to them, they get insulted, belittled, disparaged, and disrespected.

Then let's have riots and looting and arson and murder for months on end, where the rule of law appears to be a one way street.

Oh, and let's have a bunch of scandals with our political betters that tell everybody we have a two tiered justice system, where we're peasants, but our moral betters can do pretty much anything and get away with it.

All while our information sources obviously lie and conflict with each other and run interference for their powerful friends, but giant soulless mega corporations will straight up destroy regular mundane people if they feel like it.

And then at the very end of this shitty year, let's have a election that is insanely anomalous in a bunch of ways, but let's not actually investigate it in any meaningful manner, and instead let's just insult anybody who is concerned about it.

Because nothing bad could possibly happen from tens of millions of people believing that their votes will never matter again and the system is irreparably rigged against them in a country with billions of guns and nuclear weapons.

Whew... And that's just this year, after the last two decades of escalating tensions in a country filled with people who hate each other's fundamental beliefs.

Which brings us to now... Which is why when buildings start exploding and politicians get beheaded, I won't be in the least bit surprised.

And I'm usually the optimist. I'm seeing people I would consider boring vanilla normies, not gun culture people, not Trumpkins, not preppers, not even that political, now talking about violence and revolution like those are perfectly normal topics. Twenty years ago that was reserved for us internet gun nuts and taboo crazy talk for everyone else.

Yeah... we are basically fucked.