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What about what I posted was fantasy?... I simply made the statement (my opinion if you will) that it is both physically and statistically impossible for an individual such as Joe Biden ...


Sorry, the fantasy thing wasn't really directed at your claim about it being "physically and statistically impossible" for Biden to win. Though that's clearly not true. As you rightly point out, that's your opinion. There are were something like 240 million eligible voters, so 150 some million votes total is absolutely physically and statistically possible. The fantasy comment was directed at some other stuff that's been suggested or claimed, I got a little broad and rambling in my response.

As far as your opinion goes Obama having gotten 60million+ votes isn't terribly relevant. It's quite possible with rising population rates somebody will get 100million+ votes in the near future. Claiming that Trump couldn't get 70million+ or Biden couldn't get 80million+ (or whatever the actual numbers are) based on past totals doesn't make any sense. Overall turnout in 2020 looks to be about 7% higher than 2016. That hardly sounds like an impossible number.

So you're just wrong about it not being possible. However, I don't think you're wrong about lack of excitement for Biden. But I think that ignores the massive anti Trump sentiment out there. Yes, those people weren't having big rallies, but they're all over online mediums. I'd seen people say things along the lines of "I'll vote for a wet paper bag to get Trump out of office". So in my opinion (and it's just that) a large factor was people going to vote against a candidate as opposed to really endorsing the opponent. Basically voting out of spite. But that was just one of many factors.
 
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“We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,”
Pres. Select, Joe Biden

“Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021
 
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Fascinating!!!





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Rant on: I feel injured by all of the shenanigans. Have forgotten (almost) that it's the Advent season and Christmas is less than two weeks ago, we're in the midst of Hanukkah, I ate too much at Thanksgiving and will likely do again at Christmas, am on my third beer of the evening., may be looking at that Christmas dinner by myself if the COVID lockdown tightens, been afixed to my computer screen for days, swapped my P320X-Compact out for the Beretta M9 for carry, while being held in suspense of whether of our officials are going to follow the law or do what they can to get richer and save their careers, after I showed my driver's license and repeated name, rank, address, etc. to the clerk at my polling place. Who do I sue? : Rant off.
 
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Thanks for the Jovan Pulitzer video. That was amazing. Literally breathtaking. I think that guy knows his stuff. I only hope it gets through to someone who can do something about it.
 
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How far into fantasy do we want to go?

A truckload of ballots cross state lines and disappear. Call him different than you or I, but did he work that day or not? Has anyone showed what he might have hauled instead? Of course not, no one is trying. Affidavits of postal supervisors in different states ordering backdated ballots. Suitcases, back rooms, and warehouses with stored ballots where chain of custody was broken. Flash drives being stolen in Philly, others being handed out during the counting. Unfolded mail in ballots, some sworn witness saying they were so alike as to be copied. Voting totals over the eligible voters. Observers told to go home, just in the big cities in swing states where mail in spikes are too high to have been counted in the time allowed. Statistical impossible balance of Trump v Biden in these mail in, that DOES NOT MIRROR the balance in any other Dem cities and states - just the swing states that all stopped counting long enough to cover SOMETHING....

Yes I read here too and we've covered this (and much more). Please allow me to ask the question another way. Why would any of this evidence exist if it were not for the huge effort to commit fraud.

What are the odds that all of these happen only in Bidens favor, innocently, and independently?? It's not WE who are fooled.


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Why "standing" is hogwash...




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What I don't grasp, is the mantra "NO PROOF" when the court in which such evidence would be presented, refuses to look at that 'evidence' and rejects hearing the case.


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Any electors and SoS’s that certify fraudulent results should be held as seditionists and treated as such.
 
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So you're just wrong about it not being possible.
Tell ya what. If I leap from a fifteen story building in downtown, there is a chance, however infinitesimally small, that I might survive the fall. If I asked you to render a comment on the possibility, would you be telling everyone it is possible I'd survive? Common sense says I'm toast. I don't need to develop a statistical matrix to prove that outcome. I will posit there are not 80 million people in this country who even know who Joe Biden is. There is simply no way, without major election tampering, that Joe Biden gets anywhere near 80 million votes. I have lots of Dem friends and acquaintances and the vast majority of them either voted Trump or didn't vote at all citing Biden being completely incompetent. For Christ's sake, my next door neighbor hates Trump. Absolutely loathes the man. She's the poster child for TDS. Yet when it came time to vote, she opted to stay home and sit this one out. In a split Dem party (and it most certainly is split badly between the socialists and corportist Dem's at this point), there was no significant support for Biden at all. Trump won more of the black and hispanic vote than he needed to beat Biden. No presidential candidate has won election without winning Ohio. Trump won Ohio. No candidate for president has ever won without winning a plurality of the 12 twelve key swing state districts political pollsters measure each year. Trump won 11, Biden won one. Trump didn't lose this election nationwide, he lost it in a few districts in a few states where major irregularities occurred. You can continue on with your statistical debate on this election, but a majority of the country (including a percentage of Dem's) believe the election was tainted. And in most people's minds, perception is reality.


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Any electors and SoS’s that certify fraudulent results should be held as seditionists and treated as such.


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Any electors and SoS’s that certify fraudulent results should be held as seditionists and treated as such.

I think that's the message Trump is signalling to them. I think he is close to invoking his executive order about election interference. He's waiting on a report from Ratcliffe perhaps or for some concrete proof from Powell or the others that China and other foreign actors have their fingers in this.

It's really about the only tool left to him to retain his rightful place in office. I doubt this is his preferred action because if he does invoke the order there will be some rough times ahead. I think he is still absorbing the Supreme Court decision and now weighing his final options none of which include conceding.


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One would hope that those putting their name on the line to certify this clearly fraudulent election would be well versed in the Constitution and Amendments to the Constitution.

They were not just random thoughts, our Forefathers knew the heart of man and desired to protect the nation they cultivated.



“We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,”
Pres. Select, Joe Biden

“Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021
 
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Exclusive: Sidney Powell on 2020 Election Lawsuits, Supreme Court Decision & Gen. Michael Flynn Case

Joining us today is attorney Sidney Powell, who has been leading election lawsuits in multiple states. On Friday, she filed emergency requests to the Supreme Court, asking the justices to order officials in Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Arizona to de-certify their 2020 election results.

We discuss the current status of the legal challenges she’s involved in and her thoughts on the Supreme Court’s rejection of the Texas lawsuit as well as the conclusion of the Flynn case.

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Follow on to filing a suit in Michigan around election fraud and then the attorney filing the suit gets threatened by the Michigan Attorney General...

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MI Attorney Responsible For Forensic Examination Of 16 Dominion Machines Gets Threatening Call From MI State Bar…Radical MI AG Nessel Threatens “MI Lawyers” Supporting Trump

Tomorrow at 8:30 AM, in Michigan’s 13th Circuit Court, Judge Kevin A. Elsenheimer will decide if he will allow Constitutional Attorney Matthew DePerno of the DePerno Law Firm to release the Kraken.

At 5:30 PM on Friday, December 4, Judge Elsenheimer granted permission to DePerno’s client, William Bailey, and his team of IT experts to conduct a forensic study of the 16 Dominion voting machines, tabulators, thumb drives, related software, and the Clerk’s “master tabulator” used in the November elections in Antrim County, MI. In the judge’s court order, the plaintiff, Mr.Bailey, was also granted the ability to conduct an independent investigation of the images they obtained in their examination.

After 8 hours, the collection was complete. With 16 CF cards (similar to SIM cards), 16 thumb drives, and forensic images of the Dominion voting machines in hand, the IT team was escorted to the local Antrim County Airport by two Antrim County Sheriff vehicles, where they boarded their jet plane with evidence in hand.

The following morning, Mr. DePerno received a phone call from the MI State Bar warning him that they have opened an investigation into a case he tried over a year ago in Lapeer, MI. Mr. DePerno was told that the State Bar of Michigan had already requested over 6,000 pages of documents related to the case. According to Mr. DePerno, there has never been a single complaint filed about the case. He believes the phone call was simply an act of intimidation on the part of Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel. DePerno expressed his concern about the timing of the call from the MI State Bar office, telling him, “In light of the news that’s breaking today, this seems very political to me.” DePerno explained, “They’re just digging for stuff!”

On Wednesday, December 9, Matthew DePerno and his client, Mr. Bailey, waited patiently for the results of the forensic examination of the Dominion voting machines to arrive. While he was waiting for the results, Michigan’s radical Attorney General Dana Nessel, who won her election after bragging she was the best candidate for the job because she didn’t have a penis, added Michigan’s far-left, dishonest Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson to the lawsuit as a defendant.

On Friday, December 10, Constitutional Attorney Matthew DePerno, who is now in possession of the initial preliminary results of the forensic examination of the Dominion voting machine, 16 CV data cards, and 16 thumb drives from the Dominion machines, filed an emergency order asking Judge Kevin Elsenheimer to lift the protective order prohibiting him from sharing the results of the inspection, calling it a matter of “national security.” In his emergency motion, DePerno reminds the judge that time is of the essence, as the deadline for electors to vote for the next President is Monday, December 14, 2020.

In his order, Deperno states that Secretary of State Benson has refused to permit a forensic examination of the Dominion software, presumably because she is fearful of violating the Licensing agreement with Dominion. DePerno points out that the agreement produced by Antrim County was not signed and that they have not been able to verify that the contract was actually signed.

In his emergency order, DePerno argues that the protective order placed on sharing the results of the forensic examination was for the purposes of preventing the plaintiff from reverse engineering Dominion’s software for malicious purposes. DePerno argues that his plaintiff, Mr. Bailey, and his IT team have no intention of reverse-engineering the software for malicious purposes. Mr. DePerno adds, “the public interest weighs in favor of granting the Plaintiff’s preliminary injunction.” He explains, “The Court believes that confirming the accuracy, integrity, and security of the electoral process is a greater public interest at this juncture than the potential misuse of reverse engineering data.”

Yesterday afternoon, Attorney Matthew DePerno received word that 13th Circuit Court Judge Kevin A Elseneheimer would hear his case. Curiously, DePerno, who filed the emergency motion, found out about the hearing when he saw an article published by the far-left Detroit Free Press at 2:13 PM. DePerno then received an email from Antrim County attorney Haider Kazim at 2:50 PM and received notice directly from the Court at 3:02 PM. According to DePerno, the hearing will take place at 8:30 AM EST on Monday.

Today, Michigan’s radical Attorney General Dana Nessel tweeted a warning shot directed specifically at “Lawyers who practice in Michigan,” letting them know that their oath prevents them from filing “unjust and/or frivolous actions” or from misleading the court. Fun fact: Lawyers who practice in Michigan are required to take an oath to support the MI and US Constitutions, not to file unjust and/or frivolous actions or mislead the court. The spate of Trump lawsuits in our state violates each of these tenets. It demeans our profession. The brave patriot and Constitutional Attorney told The Gateway Pundit that he’s curious about the timing of Nessel’s tweet, and he wonders why “Attorney General Nessel is bringing the power of the state in to threaten attorneys?” He also told us that if Nessel is aware of misconduct by another attorney and isn’t reporting it, she is actually violating her oath by not reporting it.” DePerno told The Gateway Pundit, “Nessel’s only goal is to intimidate.
 
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It will get beyond ugly fast. GOP members aren't standing with him and are saying there was no fraud. The poor guy is alone now in DC, so I can't imagine what would happen.
 
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