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Originally posted by tomgun:
I’ve talked to Vietnamese people who work where I work, folks who escaped to here in boats and some who almost died in the process.
And ukranians who were there in the Soviet Union days and came here for freedom.
They all voted for President Trump, and they all say the same things Monkey does.

I am from Hong Kong witnessing how bad China communist is no way they going to turn this country to a country similar to them, this is my home , my country and everything that I have .

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Originally posted by xmod:
Insurrection Act needs to be the response.

I guess it depends on the scope and duration. I think it could mean anything from localized military control for a short period while things get sorted out, to indefinite suspension of civil rights. Definitely not on board with the latter.

Despite the present goal, I have real concerns about its use down the road. Any future election could be disputed by the incumbent who then takes indefinite control "for national security". I think North Korea is going on about 7 decades of it.

I know it’s not over but I had a thought.

It’s clear the Democrats stole this election with the help of the MSM. They think this all goes away on the 20th. But it won’t. Imagine Biden/Harris nine months from now. The election fraud is revealed. Hunter is in jail. China connections revealed. Biden is forced to resign in disgrace. The lies. The coverups. An absolute body blow to our corrupt institutions. It will destroy the Democrats.

It’s not me fantasizing. They did this. Too many were involved to keep quiet. And patriots out there won’t rest until they get the truth.

Their worst nightmare has come true. They got away with it. For now.

The democrats stole the election with the help of the media AND the help of big tech and the Chinese.
I still hold out hope that something happens to foil their plan.
I have not given up.

Oh. I’m not giving up. But we may have lost a battle to win the war.

Also...

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by Dwill104:
Didn’t really understand the Alito/Thomas comment. Did they mean that they just wouldn’t grant any temporary injunction while the case was heard, or that they were willing to hear the case, but it wasn’t going to be successful in the end anyway?

That last was my interpretation.

Yeah, it wasn’t clear. My first impression was the former, but you may well have been right.

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Originally posted by sigalert:
I know it’s not over but I had a thought.

It’s clear the Democrats stole this election with the help of the MSM. They think this all goes away on the 20th. But it won’t. Imagine Biden/Harris nine months from now. The election fraud is revealed. Hunter is in jail. China connections revealed. Biden is forced to resign in disgrace. The lies. The coverups. An absolute body blow to our corrupt institutions. It will destroy the Democrats.

It’s not me fantasizing. They did this. Too many were involved to keep quiet. And patriots out there won’t rest until they get the truth.

Their worst nightmare has come true. They got away with it. For now.

That would leave us with Kamala Harris as President--a much worse outcome, IMO. (However, I don't think Sleepy Joe would last that long--something would happen to him, "healthwise".)

flashguy

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Originally posted by bozman:
Well I sure as hell haven't given up and I see only a few of us who have (mostly those members that have shown themselves to be RHINO's, trolls and agitators).

I think you mean RINOs (Republican In Name Only). The only RHINO I know around here is RHINOWSO. Speaking of whom, haven’t seen him post in a while. Looks like his most recent post was June 21st. Anybody heard from him since?

slosig... fixed.

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Originally posted by slosig:

I think you mean RINOs (Republican In Name Only). The only RHINO I know around here is RHINOWSO. Speaking of whom, haven’t seen him post in a while. Looks like his most recent post was June 21st. Anybody heard from him since?

If I recall correctly, and I may be mistaken, there was a falling out between RHINOWSO and management, and he hasn't been back since.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by slosig:

I think you mean RINOs (Republican In Name Only). The only RHINO I know around here is RHINOWSO. Speaking of whom, haven’t seen him post in a while. Looks like his most recent post was June 21st. Anybody heard from him since?

If I recall correctly, and I may be mistaken, there was a falling out between RHINOWSO and management, and he hasn't been back since.

Sorry to hear that. The RHINO could be shall we say “a bit direct”, but he did contribute. Oh well, we all make our own choices.

I am extremely disappointed in the USSC

I had hoped that after all we had done to put conservatives back on the court and bolster their ranks so they they would be a co-equal branch yet again they abandoned us when the chips were down

Alito surprised me

I would have thought they would have gladly taken up the case and done what was right

but I was wrong

it appears that the DoJ and ALL of its infestations as well as the courts are NOT on the side of the Constitution

Wisconsin case (which was argued today) is dead...

Link...

Appointed by President Trump no less...

UPDATE... It appears that there are 2 cases in Wisconsin? The one in front of the Supreme Court of Wisconsin has not been settled? The one that was tossed was a different lawsuit? Looking to find the answer.

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Originally posted by bozman:


UPDATE... It appears that there are 2 cases in Wisconsin? The one in front of the Supreme Court of Wisconsin has not been settled? The one that was tossed was a different lawsuit? Looking to find the answer.

This is a pretty comprehensive and updated list. There are two, pre and post election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...residential_election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...l_election#Wisconsin

The Steve Turley video on the previous page is encouraging.

Searched and did not see this posted. Interesting potential positive news for a Michigan county.

Will A Small County In Northern Michigan Be The Key To Overturning The Nation’s Election Results? America Should Find Out On Monday

By Joel Hoft
Published December 12, 2020 at 7:46 PM

(Images of Dominion tabulation machine counts available at the link)

"The untold story of a battle to reveal the truth about Dominion voting machines is brewing in Michigan, and not surprisingly, it’s getting very little coverage by the mainstream media.

In a solidly red county in northern Michigan where Trump banners, flags, and yard signs can be found in almost every front yard, voters woke up to discover Joe Biden had walloped President Trump, only to find out shortly later that Dominion voting machines flipped thousands of votes cast for Trump to his Democratic challenger Joe Biden. The media called it a “glitch” and blamed it on human error.

Earlier this week, we reported about the lawsuit filed by Matthew DePerno of DePerno Law on behalf of Central Lake resident William Bailey. In addition to thousands of votes that were flipped from President Trump to Democrat candidate Joe Biden, Bailey was concerned about ballots that were re-run through the Dominion tabulator machine after a 262-262 tie on a vote a ballot initiative that would allow a marijuana establishment to be located within the Village of Central Lake.

While ballots were being inserted into the machine, 3 of the ballots were destroyed and were not placed through the tabulator. At the conclusion of the recount by the tabulating machine and with three fewer votes, the result was 262-261, and the initiative passed. Of course, this result could only be possible after 3 of the ballots were destroyed.

Two more unexplainable vote counts in Antrim County also left voters stunned by the unexplainable outcome of the vote result by Dominion. In Central Lake’s School Board election, 742 votes were added to the total after a recount on November 6. (First image below)

Dominion’s vote totals showed 663 people voted in a district where there were only 6 eligible voters and only 3 of those 6 actually voted. Somehow, Dominion added 660 additional votes to the final tally. (Second image)



“Based on all the allegation of fraud, statutory violations, and other misconduct,” DePerno wrote, “it is necessary to immediately permit the plaintiff to take a forensic image of the 22 precinct tabulators, thumb drives, related software, the Clerk’s “master tabulator,” and conduct an investigation of those images, after which a manual recount of the election results and independent audit of the November 3 election may be ordered to ensure the accuracy and integrity of the election.”

In his lawsuit, Matthew DePerno claims that based on the evidence they have provided to the court that Dominion Voting Systems “committed material fraud or error in this election so that the outcome of the election was affected.”

At 5:30 PM on Friday, December 4, 13th Circuit Court Judge Kevin A. Elsenheimer granted permission to William Bailey and his team of IT experts to conduct a forensic study of the 16 Dominion voting machines, tabulators, thumb drives, related software, and the Clerk’s “master tabulator.” In his court order, Bailey was also granted the ability to conduct an independent investigation of the images they obtained in their examination.

Matthew DePerno was able to quickly assemble a team of seven highly trained forensic IT experts who agreed to arrive the next day (Saturday) to conduct the forensic examination.

After 8 hours, the collection was complete. With 16 CF cards (similar to SIM cards), 16 thumb drives, and forensic images of the Dominion voting machines in hand, the IT team was escorted to the local Antrim County Airport by two Antrim County Sheriff vehicles, where they boarded their jet plane with evidence in hand.

DePerno waited patiently for the results of the forensic examination of the Dominion voting machines to arrive. While he was waiting for the results, Michigan’s radical Attorney General Dana Nessel who won her election after bragging she was the best candidate for the job because she didn’t have a penis, added Michigan’s far-left, dishonest Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson to the lawsuit as a defendant on Wednesday.



On Friday, Constitutional Attorney Matthew DePerno, who is now in possession of the initial preliminary results of the forensic examination of the Dominion voting machine, 16 CV data cards, and 16 thumb drives from the Dominion machines, filed an emergency order asking Judge Kevin Elsenheimer to lift the protective order prohibiting him from sharing the results of the inspection, calling it a matter of “national security.” In his emergency motion, DePerno reminds the judge that time is of the essence, as the deadline for electors to vote for the next President is Monday, December 14, 2020.



In his order, Deperno states that Secretary of State Benson has refused to permit a forensic examination of the Dominion software, presumably because she is fearful of violating the Licensing agreement with Dominion. DePerno points out that the agreement produced by Antrim County was not signed and that they have not been able to verify that the contract was actually signed.



DePerno asked for the preliminary results of the election to be released to the people of Antrim Co, of the State of MI, of the USA, and to the President and Vice President of the United States, as well as Chad Wolf, Sec. of Homeland Security and DNI John Ratcliff.



In his emergency order, DePerno argues that the protective order placed on sharing the forensic examination results was to prevent the plaintiff from reverse engineering Dominion’s software for malicious purposes. DePerno argues that his plaintiff, Mr. Bailey, and his IT team have no intention of reverse-engineering the software for malicious purposes. Mr. DePerno adds, “the public interest weighs in favor of granting the Plaintiff’s preliminary injunction.” He explains, “The Court believes that confirming the accuracy, integrity, and security of the electoral process is a greater public interest at this juncture than the potential misuse of reverse engineering data.”

Later today, Attorney Matthew DePerno received word that 13th Circuit Court Judge Kevin A Elseneheimer would hear his case. Curiously, DePerno, who filed the emergency motion, found out about the hearing when he saw an article published by the far-left Detroit Free Press at 2:13 PM. DePerno then received an email from Antrim County attorney Haider Kazim at 2:50 PM and received notice directly from the Court at 3:02 PM. According to DePerno, the hearing will take place at 8:30 AM EST on Monday."

Loosing faith/confidence in the process is not the same as giving up on a man.


$.02 worth,
Boss

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Originally posted by Boss1:
Loosing faith/confidence in the process is not the same as giving up on a man.


$.02 worth,
Boss

QFT.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
I am extremely disappointed in the USSC

I had hoped that after all we had done to put conservatives back on the court and bolster their ranks so they they would be a co-equal branch yet again they abandoned us when the chips were down

Alito surprised me

I would have thought they would have gladly taken up the case and done what was right

but I was wrong

it appears that the DoJ and ALL of its infestations as well as the courts are NOT on the side of the Constitution

I’ve read the briefs and several of the relevant cases and, based on that, I think the Court did exactly what it should have done - follow the law regardless who it would benefit to do otherwise. There might be a case that will allow a correct-thinking majority to so something about this shameful election, but this wasn’t it.