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Originally posted by vthoky:

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Originally posted by trapper189:
Would the Secret Service have documentation showing who they assigned to do what on that day?

I believe the answer to this question is probably, "yes."
I also believe it's not something they'd willingly share with the public, as a matter of not letting out the methods by which they do things. As trapper mentioned in the previous post (more eloquently than me), broadcasting your defenses [could] put you at a tactical disadvantage.

Or because they know they fucked up. My question, was it intentional?

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
Well judging by the mutiple takes by people reporting on a Trump interview today, Trump clashing about his stance supporting the Black community and manner of clashing - as it is being reported - is unlikely to help his position.

Well, your take is completely wrong, so take solace in that.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

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Why would COUNTER-snipers need to be "covert"?

Probably closer to the truth: wouldn’t broadcasting all of your defenses put you at a tactical disadvantage?

I’ve always assumed there’s the guys you see and then there’s the one’s you don’t. Like looking at the White House from Pennsylvania Ave. You can see guys on the roof. I’ve always assumed if you get over the fence, other guys pop up like Whack-A-Mole.

Depends on who’s calling the event, feds generally want everyone to know they’re there, state agencies usually are the same. High ground elements usually are visible for deterrence purposes. Hiding a counter-sniper team isn't unusual however now that we know the principal suspect was right next to their hide-site, the magnifying glass of scrutiny is cranked-up on that team, and whomever was in the command & communications center who stove-piped all the sighting and activity information.

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
...he could have deflected by saying race shouldn't be an issue, the person best suited to lead the country is the issue.

In a way, that's what he did, if you listen to his answer, when he said he has respect for both Indians and Blacks, but I'm curious just what you think he was supposed to do with such a loaded, aggressively-posed question, from someone who was being openly hostile to him, and and who's employed by a news agency which has lied daily about him for close to a decade.

In case you didn't notice, the question was about race, but thank goodness Donald Trump has you to offer guidance, after the fact, sitting at your keyboard, with time to contemplate what you consider to be an optimal response.

He addressed the issue at hand, which is Harris's lying bullshit, denying her heritage in order to pander to voters. But, according to you, he should have just ignored it. This woman is lying to our face and the evidence of her lies is there for all to see if they but look, but let's just give her a pass, right?

I'll keep faith in Trump's instincts, poorer though he may be without your sage advice.

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Originally posted by 6guns:

Or because they know they fucked up. My question, was it intentional?

Was what intentional?

I don’t believe for a second the USSS intentionally left a gapping security hole in Trump’s protection in the hopes that the stars would align that someone would just happen to find it and attempt to assassinate Trump.

I also don’t believe that anyone conspired with the 20yo kid in anyway.

I also don’t believe the USSS is stonewalling to keep the enemy from learning national secrets about how the USSS runs its protection details. That train left the station and the whole world has dozens of clear and not so clear pictures and videos about that. They need to be honest about what lead to the failure in order to make the right changes to prevent it from happening again.

Certainly intentional decisions were made on every level. Nobody just threw darts at a board to determine who was going to do what and where security wise. The one article I read and posted a link to said at the meeting the day of the attempt that the USSS skipped, the local guys had a 40+ slideshow presentation outlining who, what, and where for the local guys.

The USSS was there 4 or 5 days prior to the event, surveyed the site, and met with local law enforcement leaders to go over the plan. That there was a plan and that people had at least some understanding of the plan is clear when body cam guy and the medic run from the stage area through the fences, wind up on the roof, and tell Secret Service agent to go to the second window of the two story building and ask for Greg the sniper. Red tie Secret Service guy is the only one that didn’t seem to have a clue who the players were in the body cam video.

Former president of PayPal announces party switch, endorses Trump: 'crossing the Rubicon'

Published July 31, 2024 9:46pm EDT

Former president of PayPal David Marcus announced he has switched political parties and endorsed Donald Trump via X, the site formerly known as Twitter.

The tech entrepreneur, who recently headed up Messenger at Meta, announced he was "crossing the Rubicon and backing the Republican Party" as well as the campaign of former President Donald Trump.

In his lengthy post, Marcus cites an "eye-opening process of disenchantment, zero-basing lifelong beliefs, and

"I am crossing the Rubicon and backing the Republican Party and President Trump. Many — including a former version of myself — get trapped in a mental framework that becomes their identity and prevents them from radically evolving their thinking with new facts and information. I finally broke free from it."

"My journey has been a gradual political 180 from where I stood in every previous election. It has been an eye-opening process of disenchantment, zero-basing lifelong beliefs, and rebuilding from there," wrote Marcus.

Marcus cited an anecdote where, in 2017, he was enlisted to raise $100M from Silicon Valley for the Democratic National Convention in order to "prevent a repeat of Hillary Clinton’s inadequate, outdated 2016 campaign."

Marcus was shocked to discover that the DNC only intended to use a "single-digit percentage" for tech purposes.

He also cites a 2019 incident after testifying on Meta's behalf at the Senate and the House. He recalls, "at the time, I still believed the mainstream idea that Democrats were all about serving the People. However, I was shocked to learn that, for the most part, Republicans cared more deeply about their constituents, while Democrats, in my experience, cared more about government power and control."

The former PayPal president posited, "this trend of spinning and manufacturing a parallel reality to serve the Dem agenda, solidified by complicit mainstream media, hit home with the Hunter Biden laptop story, the coordinated vilification of President Trump and his followers, and President Biden’s cognitive decline — depriving voters of a voice in a proper primary. These examples displayed the hubris of the current Dem leadership."

"You must think the American people are fools to believe the spin on these issues. I despise this elite vs. general population ideology viscerally. This version of the Democratic Party is sidelining moderates and centrists and has adopted an increasingly leftist ideology," wrote Marcus.

David Marcus is aligned with Trump on technology innovations like crypto and AI as well as foreign policy--especially the Middle East. Marcus opined, "on Iran, this administration is continuing a misguided Obama-era plan to bring Iran closer to the West by unfreezing Trump-era sanctions, thus giving the Mollahs’ regime the ability to fund terrorism and pursue its anti-America, anti-Israel, and anti-Jewish agenda."

"I believe we need a President who is unequivocally pro: America, the Constitution, business, Bitcoin/crypto, innovation, Israel, small government, legal immigration, free speech, meritocracy, and common sense — and anti: regulatory proliferation, illegal immigration, unjust wars, Iran’s current regime, and domestic groups that oppose American values."

"These issues are central to President Trump’s platform," asserted Marcus. The tech entrepreneur does not accept, however, the GOP's stance on "reproductive rights."

Marcus completed his post by referencing the attempt on former President Trump's life at a rally in Butler, PA on July 13.

"It’s impossible to close this post without mentioning President Trump’s recent assassination attempt. The courage and resolve he displayed seconds after being hit by a bullet was awe-inspiring for his followers and detractors alike. This was a man, however imperfect, who, at that moment, incarnated the American spirit in the most vivid way, starting to bring a split nation together," wrote Marcus.

"In this pivotal moment, confronted with the choices we have, I am endorsing and supporting a return to a Republican administration in 2025," the post concluded.

Fellow tech entrepreneur Joe Lonsdale, founder of Palantir Technologies, commented, "Well said. Thank you for your intellectual courage."

Wow. Another step towards the right. Hope this becomes a tidal wave.

USSS story:
A few years ago, Obama was to visit the Yoop. I was part of an outfit that was to be assigned with controlling traffic along the motorcade route. A briefing was to be held for all us locals by the USSS so we would all be on the same page and this briefing would take place at K.I.Sawyer in a large hangar. I like to arrive early for these events so I can get a better idea of just what kind of a dog and pony show it will really be. So... I arrived (I was uniformed but unarmed) and began to wander around. I soon found myself in a portion of the hanger that contained many of the motorcade vehicles including the Beast, the Presidential limo. And... I was alone. No one was securing the fleet! This amazed me! After I had my fill of looking over the vehicles, I headed for the other portion of the hanger where the briefing was to be held. I then came face to face with two USSS agents. I expected to be soon kissing the concrete and getting handcuffed. Didnt happen. The two suits were regarding me curiously, so I broke the ice by saying "can you guys direct me to the briefing"? And they did! No questions asked. No ID check. Nothing.
So... when I read of the events of Trumps shooting, I flash back to my time in the hanger. It was clear to me then and now that the USSS (or DHS in the Trump event) were complacent and lax and failed to take the protection of their charge with the seriousness it deserves.

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
Well judging by the mutiple takes by people reporting on a Trump interview today, Trump clashing about his stance supporting the Black community and manner of clashing - as it is being reported - is unlikely to help his position.

Well, your take is completely wrong, so take solace in that.

Yes, and the sources he listed a vastly biased to say the least

So what is it with the comms on the SS??? In the video posted by the long haired hippy guy Stix somthing, he says they now use SMS not radio. Sure as hell go look back at the photos and count the agents with radios in their ears. I count 2 people of the 8 that got to trump had radios in their ears. WTH is that all about?

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
Well judging by the mutiple takes by people reporting on a Trump interview today, Trump clashing about his stance supporting the Black community and manner of clashing - as it is being reported - is unlikely to help his position.

After seeing a couple of the headlines on this I went to the original video transcript.

As usual, the media is intentionally misrepresenting what he said. The interviewer set him up with inflammatory statements which are of course being reported, which also intentionally misrepresent Trump's history on race.

The media are evil.

^^^

she is absolutely right - no pandering - equal treatment and no preferential bullshit

apparently no one has ever told AprilDRyan the truth before

I didn't see this as 'questioning her race' as some would claim - he was merely pointing out the inconsistencies in her claims and rightly so

does anyone remember the big bruhaha over misappropriation of race and heritage....well, duh if I recall it was the libtards that started it

ok, this has been bothering me for a very long time and I've not seen it specifically addressed

when Bidet came out to debate President Trump, everyone was absolutely shocked, horrified...yada yada yada

now, and rightly so, the media and the democrats have been absolutely pilloried for the hoax they've been foisting on the public for the past 4 years

but if that is truly the case, then why is it in the previous four years has not a single republican spilled the beans sooner?

his condition didn't happen overnight

it should NOT have caught anyone by surprise

so, were the republicans in Congress just as complicit in deceiving the American people as the democrats were?

This is a philosophical question. It sometimes seems as if we are rejecting the possibility of conspiracies absolutely. As if conspiracies never exist. But we know that's not true. It would have been a mistake to say, on that assumption, that John Wilkes Booth acted alone.

I do not have a conspiracy theory regarding the assassination attempt on Trump. I just don't have one. I cannot name names, cite events, that comprise a conspiracy.

But given all the facts we know, and especially all that we do not know and is being held back from us, I cannot logically rule out the possibility of a conspiracy.

All these black journalists complaining about Trump at this event and their (allegedly) black candidate doesn't even bother showing up?

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Originally posted by PASig:
All these black journalists complaining about Trump at this event and their (allegedly) black candidate doesn't even bother showing up?

That's the irony to the whole thing.
The 'black' candidate for POTUS doesn't show up to a black journalists forum.
The 'other' candidate shows up and gets hurled confrontational and highly charged questions from the start, and somehow they expected him to 'explain himself' or, prostrate himself before them. He doesn't take the bait, so writers (dutifully) exaggerate and willfuly mischaracterize the entire event.
Next step is for conservative pundits for the next several weeks to expose and highlight how much of a farce this was.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
ok, this has been bothering me for a very long time and I've not seen it specifically addressed

when Bidet came out to debate President Trump, everyone was absolutely shocked, horrified...yada yada yada

now, and rightly so, the media and the democrats have been absolutely pilloried for the hoax they've been foisting on the public for the past 4 years

but if that is truly the case, then why is it in the previous four years has not a single republican spilled the beans sooner?

his condition didn't happen overnight

it should NOT have caught anyone by surprise

so, were the republicans in Congress just as complicit in deceiving the American people as the democrats were?

It didn't catch 65 million voters (most ever) by surprise. But hey 81 million "knew better".

This whole "mental decline" is as you say a load of horse shot. Joey has been more or less brain dead since 2018.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
ok, this has been bothering me for a very long time and I've not seen it specifically addressed

when Bidet came out to debate President Trump, everyone was absolutely shocked, horrified...yada yada yada

now, and rightly so, the media and the democrats have been absolutely pilloried for the hoax they've been foisting on the public for the past 4 years

but if that is truly the case, then why is it in the previous four years has not a single republican spilled the beans sooner?

his condition didn't happen overnight

it should NOT have caught anyone by surprise

so, were the republicans in Congress just as complicit in deceiving the American people as the democrats were?

And using that same theory, Greg...since the MSM were shown to be hiding Biden's true condition and then after the debate, they had no choice but to admit his failings....why do be people now believe them about Harris? I know the answer, but it's bullshit and illogical.