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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
^^^Missed your **eta** while typing, but...They deliver shit nowadays!

ETA - Which extremely contagious communicable disease do you draw the line on when you decide, "if I need something I’m going to go out and get it"?

You have to be kidding, right?
You need something, you do what you have too.

This isn't "I wanted an ice cream cone", its "I need some medicine".
People that were ill or infectious, have been going out to get meds for 100 yrs.
And yet we survive.

But Covid, I guess

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
^^^Missed your **eta** while typing, but...They deliver shit nowadays!

ETA - Which extremely contagious communicable disease do you draw the line on when you decide, "if I need something I’m going to go out and get it"?

Outrageous. Get ahold of yourself.

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Originally posted by PeteF:
You need something, you do what you have too.

But everyone else be damned, I guess.

That's enough

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Treat it like the flu. No vaccine mandates. No mask mandates. No business closures. Life like normal. Wash your hands and stay home if you're feeling ill.

I think - and just my opinion - that if this had been done in the first place, the illness and deaths wouldn't have been much, if any, worse.

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Originally posted by egregore:

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Treat it like the flu. No vaccine mandates. No mask mandates. No business closures. Life like normal. Wash your hands and stay home if you're feeling ill.

I think - and just my opinion - that if this had been done in the first place, the illness and deaths wouldn't have been much, if any, worse.

AND we would be through it by now... like the Amish people.
The vaccines are only making things worse.

Covid Jab Is Far More Dangerous Than Advertised
by Dr. Joseph Mercola
https://noqreport.com/2021/11/...ous-than-advertised/

Lies, Half-Truths, and Misinformation Used to Sell the Covid Jab
By Steve McCann

The American landscape is littered with so many ongoing and predesigned crises, as well as the never-ending falsehoods and illegalities of the Biden Administration, it is nearly impossible for the average American to keep up with all the facets of the Covid-19 quagmire. As the propaganda arm of the Democrat party, the so-called “mainstream media” is regurgitating the approved government talking points, herewith is an update.

The efficacy of the vaccines

Once in office, Joe Biden and his administration openly and vociferously claimed that once people are vaccinated, they would not be susceptible to Covid-19. In this same timeframe the media, the CDC and the pharmaceutical companies were touting the vaccines as nearly 100% effective in preventing Covid-19 infections. Those pronouncements were the key element that convinced so many to get the vaccine as they assumed once they were vaccinated it was a permanent preventative.

How is it going after 11 months of worldwide mass vaccinations? A look at those countries with the highest percentage of their overall populations that are fully vaccinated reveals:

Singapore with 85% of the population vaccinated has hit a new high in both covid infections and deaths due to covid-19.

Iceland with a 77% vaccination rate has reinstituted lockdowns and social distancing as cases and deaths surge hitting new highs.

Ireland which has achieved a 76% fully vaccinated rate has experienced a surprising and new high in covid cases and deaths thus lockdowns are being reimposed on a local level.

The Netherlands (74% vaccination rate) has also experienced a dramatic surge in new cases and deaths reaching new highs during the pandemic. The government is also reinstituting lockdowns and other measures.

In the United States, Vermont with the highest level of fully vaccinated among the fifty states, (72%) has hit a record high in new cases of Covid-19.

It should be noted that the preponderance of the increase in cases and deaths experienced by these countries were among their vaccinated population. Thus, putting a lie to not only the efficacy of the vaccines but the folly of imposing vaccine mandates.
The Unvaccinated: An Inconvenient Control Group in a Sinister Social Experiment

The safety of the vaccines

In the spring of this year, Jill Biden on behalf of the administration stated unequivocally: “The vaccine is safe and effective, and it saves lives.” A post-election message that Anthony Fauci, the CDC and the pharmaceutical companies had been touting since November of 2020. How safe are the vaccines?

Recently six European countries have suspended or terminated the use of the Moderna vaccine for the younger population (30 and under). Reports of heart issues such as myocarditis and pericarditis in an extraordinarily high percentage of this age group prompted this action.

Taiwan has suspended the Pfizer vaccine for younger people stating that per stats from America the risk of youths experiencing myocarditis after receiving a second dose of the vaccines is ten times higher than after the first dose.

Throughout the United States a strange phenomenon is happening the nation’s hospitals. Emergency rooms are swamped, not with people with Covid, but with patients suffering from respiratory conditions, blood clots and heart conditions. Symptoms that are per Dr. Robert Malone the most common and underreported serious side-effects of the vaccines.

Per Dr. Peter McCullough, a world renowned cardiologist and epidemiologist, said that heart inflammation cases have increased by 5000% in 4 months, mainly affecting young men. In June 2021, the CDC reported 200 cases of myocarditis; by October, 10,304 cases had been reported and perhaps additional unreported cases nearly that high.

Excess deaths primarily due to respiratory, autoimmune and heart issues (not due to covid) are 20-50% higher for the summer and fall of 2021 as compared to the five-year average in the same calendar period for those countries with a high percentage of the population vaccinated for Covid-19. A coincidence?

Yet the Biden regime and their co-conspirators in the pharmaceutical companies continue to push not only for vaccine mandates but the vaccination of children as young as five.

Natural immunity versus vaccine immunity

The CDC, the FDA and the Biden Administration have, for the past eleven months, been adamantly claiming the immunity engendered by the vaccines is superior to natural immunity precipitated by prior infections with Covid-19. However:

The CDC has been forced to admit that they do not have on record even one instance of an unvaccinated naturally immune individual transmitting Covid-19 to another individual. Unlike innumerable instances when fully vaccinated people transmit the virus to other people, thus, confirming the superiority of natural immunity.

A recent study published by the CDC claiming vaccine immunity is superior has been pilloried by numerous doctors, epidemiologists, and other experts as a sham. Alex Berenson wrote: “The CDC study is meaningless gibberish that never would have been published if the agency did not face huge political pressure to get people vaccinated.

There have been 128 documented and peer reviewed studies affirming the superiority of natural immunity, in contrast to one highly flawed non-peer reviewed CDC study.

If there is any doubt that the ongoing exploitation of the Covid-19 pandemic has been precipitated by political and financial considerations, the insistence that vaccines engender greater protection than natural immunity should remove any question.

Do the Covid vaccines cause variants?

The CDC on its website claims: “Covid vaccines do not create or cause variants of the virus that causes Covid-19.” Is that true?

Notable scientists, doctors, and Nobel Prize winners from around the world have assessed and warned that mass vaccination will engender variants from what are leaky mRNA Covid-19 vaccines. Bronwyn MacInnes, world renowned genomicist claimed in April of 2021 that mass vaccinations will almost certainly drive the emergence of new and concerning variants. Professor Luc Montagnier, a Nobel Prize winner, has made the same claim as has Dr. Robert Malone.

A new covid variant identified in a number of highly vaccinated European countries is raising concerns among health professionals because there are changes to the coronavirus spike protein that have never been seen before.

Another mistake by the CDC, ignorance of the nature of mRNA vaccines or a deliberate effort to peddle vaccines?

The approval process for the vaccines

After the FDA issued Emergency Use Authorizations for the various Covid-19 vaccines, the public was reassured by Dr. Fauci and other in the government medical bureaucracy that there was full transparency, and no shortcuts were taken by the pharmaceutical companies.

A U.S. subcontractor for Pfizer working on the Covid-19 vaccine has been accused by a company executive of cutting corners, skewing data, and putting patients at risk as they were under enormous pressure to produce results.

What other shortcuts or data skewing were there during the trials and subsequent rollouts by the pharmaceutical companies and the FDA?

The two-year Covid-19 pandemic from its origin in a laboratory in Wuhan to the Communist Chinese attempt to obfuscate and deliberately allow the virus to spread throughout the world, to the absurd economic and societal lockdowns throughout the planet, to now the incessant drumbeat of mandatory vaccinations with an unproven vaccine that does not prevent the disease, will go down as perhaps the inanest period of time in human history. And the United States, with the inept and fascist Biden administration, is at the forefront of it all.

https://www.americanthinker.co...l_the_covid_jab.html

This country will never fully recover from this hysteria. People are literally frightened that a sick individual might meander about in public!!! It's a ludicrous new world that isn't in any way sustainable, but fear is the real killer.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by kx90:
Is this chart legit?

I don't know about the rest of the numbers, but the number for the Covid-19 "vaccines" is accurate.

Entering "Covid-19 vaccine" into their search yields 2510797 ADRs for 2021.

I come up with 272435 for influenza vaccines for 1968 through 2021. I don't know whether that's because of updated information since that chart was posted or because I fat-fingered something. Either way: It's a difference of merely 0.09%.

Anybody who cares to can pick another drug and spot-check it if they'd like.

Here's an interesting stat: There were a total of 1,771,662 ADRs reported for all the others listed from 1968 through 2021 (so far). There were 2,456,386 ADRs reported for the various Covid-19 "vaccines" in 2020 and 2021.

In less than two years there have been nearly half-again as many ADRs reported for Covid-19 "vaccines" as there have been for all the others for the last 53 years.

Ivermectin is within about 20

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opening day of deer gun season.

if I were you, I would quarantine myself in the woods away from folks for 2 full weeks,

I'm thinking about self quarantining in January around the time the rut kicks in

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Originally posted by bdylan:
This country will never fully recover from this hysteria. People are literally frightened that a sick individual might meander about in public!!! It's a ludicrous new world that isn't in any way sustainable, but fear is the real killer.

Exactly. I’d be willing to bet that a vast majority of infections are spread by people that didn’t even know they have Covid. In fact, we received an email THIS MORNING from the organizer of my sons retreat saying that it’s “possible one of the kids on the bus may have been contagious with Covid”. The retreat was 11/6,7. Yeah, I think we can put that one to rest. As to going out and getting needed supplies, yes, I would if it is a necessity. I’ll use hand sanitizer to make sure my hands are sterile, I’ll even wear the mask to limit infection, but as others have said, this shit isn’t going away. And now that people that have been “vaccinated” can and do spread it, probably more than sick purebloods that know they have it we should, what- quarantine the entire nation for 14 days like the Chinese? Which failed anyway.

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Originally posted by Mr. Peteroniman:

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opening day of deer gun season.

if I were you, I would quarantine myself in the woods away from folks for 2 full weeks,

I'm thinking about self quarantining in January around the time the rut kicks in

I like the way you think- we’ll see how I feel opening day

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Originally posted by triggertreat:
Ivermectin is within about 20

About 20 what?

The VigiAccess site claims 1171 ADRs for Ivermectin in 2021.

Btw: Monoclonal Antibodies (mAbs): 83 ADRs from 2004 through 2021.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by triggertreat:
Ivermectin is within about 20

About 20 what?

The VigiAccess site claims 1171 ADRs for Ivermectin in 2021.

Btw: Monoclonal Antibodies (mAbs): 83 ADRs from 2004 through 2021.

Total ADRs like reported on the sheet above that was in question

OSHA has suspended implementation of its vaccine mandate: natlawreview.com/article/osha-suspends-emergency-temporary-standard-covid-19-vaccinations-and-testing

My opinion: They knew when passing it that it would be challenged, stayed, and likely ultimately fail. Now they have the best of both worlds - they can say they both did nothing and everything in their power. Congress will, of course, continue to do nothing and blame others.

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Originally posted by Muddflap:
feersum, I can’t seem to find that table you posted. Could you provide a link please?

It came from here - https://twitter.com/jmrevelho/.../1460685043626651659

I checked the COVID and a few other, and those numbers were legit.

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Originally posted by DaveL:
OSHA has suspended implementation of its vaccine mandate: natlawreview.com/article/osha-suspends-emergency-temporary-standard-covid-19-vaccinations-and-testing

My opinion: They knew when passing it that it would be challenged, stayed, and likely ultimately fail. Now they have the best of both worlds - they can say they both did nothing and everything in their power. Congress will, of course, continue to do nothing and blame others.

GREAT!!!! But not enough - need this to apply to the fed contractor mandate as well.

^^^
Then challenge the executive branch mandate. If “ending the pandemic” is so important, why are the judicial and legislative branches immune from mandates?

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Originally posted by egregore:

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Treat it like the flu. No vaccine mandates. No mask mandates. No business closures. Life like normal. Wash your hands and stay home if you're feeling ill.

I think - and just my opinion - that if this had been done in the first place, the illness and deaths wouldn't have been much, if any, worse.

Agree 100%. IF we actually counted deaths DUE to Covid instead of deaths with Covid, this would be no more than a strong flu. But Government cant exert control and steal trillions of dollars and rig elections for a strong flu, so we have COVID.

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Originally posted by DaveL:
OSHA has suspended implementation of its vaccine mandate: natlawreview.com/article/osha-suspends-emergency-temporary-standard-covid-19-vaccinations-and-testing

My opinion: They knew when passing it that it would be challenged, stayed, and likely ultimately fail. Now they have the best of both worlds - they can say they both did nothing and everything in their power. Congress will, of course, continue to do nothing and blame others.

I'm not finding any other sources for that piece of news.

Any other outlets covering it?