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Worth it or not?

Not, you'll want a good reference when you leave, or are asked to leave, no reason to get into this, the company has made it's choice, and unless you and a good percentage of the work force are ready to walk out in support of the cause, management and HR are not going to give in.

Not a fan of burning bridges for the sake of telling people off, they don't care, it won't change them, find a productive way to move on..

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Originally posted by benny6:
I'm thinking of proposing a though scenario to my HR.

I understand the analogy, though it may be a bit too cute for your HR dept.
I would just provide them with the research data on natural immunity vs. the vaccine.

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The Left Cheered When Australians Gave Up Their Guns. Now They’re Being Shot By Their Own Government in the Streets.

When only the gov't has guns...

Did you see the guy in the center of the video with the green shirt? Standing there with his hands on his head? Go down after getting shot?

Well if the Australians can put up this kind of a fuss unarmed it might give cause to the controlling elites here to reflect a bit longer on hard they might want to push.

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Originally posted by HRK:...
Not a fan of burning bridges for the sake of telling people off, they don't care, it won't change them, find a productive way to move on..

The path in front of me is illuminated by the bridges burning behind me, and I walk alone.


It's not easy, it's not fun, but there are fewer zombies to contend with that want to eat me.

This Australian mess - it's not really the government shooting at the people. That's too abstract here and reality is worse. The people in government are shooting at citizens. These are people who are supposed to say to themselves - this is not right, I should not be shooting at citizens for the reason the politicians are telling me. These are people that should be saying to themselves and each other - this is an order I will not obey.

These are people that are shooting at unarmed citizens that are standing for their freedom, not for something criminal. Shame on them. Nazi's all over again. Judgement day will come and they shall have no excuse since all should have learned from the Nazi - just following orders does not fly.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:

The path in front of me is illuminated by the bridges burning behind me, and I walk alone.

It's not easy, it's not fun, but there are fewer zombies to contend with that want to eat me.

I stand with the monkey.

Yes, SIGforum supports law enforcement, but not the ones we see in these videos out of Australia. I hope they get trampled.

What the hell is going on with their riot gear? They look like they are collectively taking part in some sort of apocalyptic cosplay and it seems to have gone to more than just a few of their empty heads.

Aussies I argued with online (mostly on motorcycle pages) seemed so smug to have guns banned there. I hope a few of them are realizing how stupid their line of thinking was. I know most of them are pretty well brainwashed but my hope is that this wakes up a few of them.

Just gonna drop this here......

United Airlines employees sue company over its 'draconian' COVID vaccine mandate

Attorneys argue United Airlines' handling of its new vaccine rule violates the Civil Rights Act of 1964

United in August said that more than half of its 67,000 U.S.-based employees who weren't vaccinated in August would be required to get the vaccine by Sept. 27, but made an exception for those with medical and religious reasons, which employees argue has not been the case.

The six employee plaintiffs say United Airlines has failed to approve accommodation requests regarding the vaccine and instead offered six years of unpaid leave for those wishing not to get the vaccine.

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Rest of story and video at link...

https://www.foxbusiness.com/po...ovid-vaccine-mandate

From my own personal perspective.....

United Airlines "approved" all requests for Reasonable Accommodation due to deeply-held Religious Beliefs. Their definition of "Reasonable Accommodation" was either:
1) Accept their approval and summarily be placed on Unpaid Leave indefinitely until such time it is deemed the Pandemic "is over" or,
2) Withdraw your request for "Reasonable Accommodation" and subject yourself to the vaccine by 27-SEP.

I'm not a lawyer, but in ANY case I studied in Business Law, it is unlawful for one party to require an action from a second party, such that the second party's agreement to the terms are due to DURESS. I'd say, "take the shot or lose your job" is the textbook definition of DURESS; the act of using threats or psychological pressure to force someone to behave in a way that is contrary to their wishes. I might find some that disagree.....

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67,000 U.S.-based employees who weren't vaccinated in August would be required to get the vaccine by Sept. 27,

We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.
- Benjamin Franklin

If you all refuse, they don't have an airline.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
If you all refuse, they don't have an airline.

Unfortunately, the siren of the almighty dollar coerced MANY to get the vaccine. At least in the pilot group. The other work groups? Just plain sheep. Love my co-workers DEARLY, but DAYUM.....the VAST majority of them can't see the forest for the trees.

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Originally posted by konata88:
This Australian mess - it's not really the government shooting at the people. That's too abstract here and reality is worse. The people in government are shooting at citizens. These are people who are supposed to say to themselves - this is not right, I should not be shooting at citizens for the reason the politicians are telling me. These are people that should be saying to themselves and each other - this is an order I will not obey.

These are people that are shooting at unarmed citizens that are standing for their freedom, not for something criminal. Shame on them. Nazi's all over again. Judgement day will come and they shall have no excuse since all should have learned from the Nazi - just following orders does not fly.

We can agree to disagree.

Why Do Doctors Go Along with COVID Panic Porn and CDC Prescriptions?


I recently had a conversation with a reasonably well-informed writer who simply missed the real reasons why most practicing physicians go along with the Fauci Fraud. As a public service, I will attempt to fill in a few gaps. But first, I must define the fraud.

There are two basic legs to the fraud. First is the idea that the Centers for Disease Control is in any way concerned with a mission related to its name. The failure of the CDC to endorse any treatment that did not emanate from its exalted halls should give us our first glint of clarity. There are literally millions of physicians around the world, and the great bulk of them truly wish to treat their patients well. Among those are thousands of researchers, a number far in excess of those at the CDC, the NIH, and other alphabet soup government agencies. The very idea that outside researchers are incapable of discovering anything useful without the help of the bureaucrats in D.C. is hubris of the highest order. And it prevents the CDC, the FDA, or any other such agency from considering the idea that maybe, just possibly, there might be intelligent life down here. Mount Olympus cannot be threatened.

The second leg of the fraud is less visible to the naked eye but much more powerful. If I wrote this before I retired, I would be called before the Board of my group and told in no uncertain terms to shut up. I might even be assessed a financial penalty with several zeroes after the one. That's a serious impairment of my pursuit of happiness. The reason for my group's dislike is more than the fact that I might be an irritant. They may actually agree with what I have to say. But they simply cannot afford for me to say it. That's right: as a practicing physician in a group, my freedom of speech can become very expensive...to the group.

My group cared for patients of all descriptions, with roughly half of them on Medicare and another batch on Medicaid. Both programs are ultimately managed by the feds, one of the most humorless groups on the planet. They write a whole bunch of rules on how you have to document everything you do. If you didn't document it correctly, it didn't happen, and you won't get paid. But that's not the half of it.

Suppose you have one of those patients brought in by the ambulance from under the bridge. His only clothes are the ones he's wearing, and he doesn't have two nickels to rub together. It's more than obvious that this surgery for bowel obstruction will be a charity case. Before Medicare, you'd simply write it off as your good neighbor duty. Now you don't get a choice. CMMS (the actual administrative agency) requires you to send a bill. Twice. Or maybe three times. Whatever it takes to turn the bill into bad debt. Then you have to send it to a collection agency. Your only alternative is for your group to bring it up in its Board meeting and declare it a write-off that gets noted in the minutes.

All this rigmarole serves no purpose, and you knew that before you got to this sentence. But CMMS has a sinister side. If you do the case for free (which you did before you spent that useless money on billing and collection), CMMS will define that as your "usual and customary" bill for an exploratory laparotomy. Since your U&C is now zero, you can't ever bill more than that for an ex lap in the future.

But what does that have to do with ivermectin? I'm glad you asked.

U&C bills are just one of the hundreds of rules that CMMS enforces. Another is "Pay for Performance." Basically, P-f-P requires you to check a host of boxes when taking care of patients. If you didn't get that IV antibiotic in 20 minutes before the incision, you failed P-f-P and may not get paid. The hospital won't get paid to take care of the patient if there's a complication.

So let us suppose that you use ivermectin to treat a COVID patient as he arrives in the hospital. Ivermectin isn't on the Medicare/Medicaid approved list of medications for COVID. Your hospital pharmacy will call you up and give you grief. After wasting a lot of time getting them to finally let you have it, you've had to cancel half of your office day. The next day, you'll get a visit from a coder, who will tell you that you didn't use the approved treatment protocol and put the hospital in jeopardy because you flunked P-f-P. By the way, that "coder" is the person who "helps" you use the proper ICD (billing) code for whatever the patient has in order for the hospital to make the most money. But that's not the worst of it.

Because you flunked P-f-P, that waves a red flag in front of the CMMS bulls, and you're about to get gored. They will wonder what other bad things you've done. As soon as they find one, it gets flagged as "Medicare fraud," and they will bill you for twice what you got paid as a penalty. Can you guess how many other instances of fraud they'll find if they look hard? Do you have to ask why my partners would get upset if I published while I was still in practice? By the way, CMMS can go two years back as they look for your crimes. They can ultimately take your house, your car, and your wife's poodle while they're at it.

Let's change the scene. Suppose you're in private practice. You can't give ivermectin because the feds will key in on it if your patient's on Medicare or Medicaid. So you decide to take care of him off the books. He pays you cash, and all is well. Not! You now took a private payment for Medicare-covered service. That will get you barred from seeing another Medicare patient for two years.

Let's forget all the regulatory traps. You're conscientious and try to do the best for your patients. But you're busy, and you can't keep up with the flood of papers on all the various COVID bits. So you wear a mask, have your patients wear masks, and do a lot of telemedicine. You keep up on the latest through Medscape and the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reporter. You should be good? Not! MMWR is put out by the CDC, and they won't say the first good word about HCQ or ivermectin. Medscape is a little better, but not much. And all the specialty societies are toeing the line. Can we guess why?

Any doctor who actually reads the studies, or follows any of the protocols published by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, will see a lot of peer pressure to stop. The financial risks may be extreme. It takes a spine of steel to stand up to the authoritarian orthodoxy.

Ted Noel, M.D. is a retired anesthesiologist/intensivist who posts on social media as DoctorTed and @vidzette.

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Originally posted by bcereuss:

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Originally posted by konata88:
This Australian mess - it's not really the government shooting at the people. That's too abstract here and reality is worse. The people in government are shooting at citizens. These are people who are supposed to say to themselves - this is not right, I should not be shooting at citizens for the reason the politicians are telling me. These are people that should be saying to themselves and each other - this is an order I will not obey.

These are people that are shooting at unarmed citizens that are standing for their freedom, not for something criminal. Shame on them. Nazi's all over again. Judgement day will come and they shall have no excuse since all should have learned from the Nazi - just following orders does not fly.

We can agree to disagree.

So you're saying what? It's their duty to shoot unarmed, dispersing and/or fleeing protesters in the back? If they've go their hands up, shoot 'em anyway....Orders are orders?

Why, because they deserve it? Because they violated some useless Tyrannical lockdown rules?

Let's be real....They're sick and tired of all the Draconian Bullshit! They want their freedom back! Oh, and I don't care if it's non-lethal...

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Originally posted by bcereuss:

We can agree to disagree.

Perhaps you can elaborate on that.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by bcereuss:

We can agree to disagree.

Perhaps you can elaborate on that.

You don't see eye-to-eye with him?

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Originally posted by bcereuss:

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Originally posted by konata88:
This Australian mess - it's not really the government shooting at the people. That's too abstract here and reality is worse. The people in government are shooting at citizens. These are people who are supposed to say to themselves - this is not right, I should not be shooting at citizens for the reason the politicians are telling me. These are people that should be saying to themselves and each other - this is an order I will not obey.

These are people that are shooting at unarmed citizens that are standing for their freedom, not for something criminal. Shame on them. Nazi's all over again. Judgement day will come and they shall have no excuse since all should have learned from the Nazi - just following orders does not fly.

We can agree to disagree.

Nah, I think konata88 is right on target. These people in uniforms shooting rubber bullets aren't cops, they're government thugs. They're essentially the brown shirts of the Aussie government, and I for one hope the people of Australia stand up tall and kick the shit out of all of them.

Yep, I hope they get their asses stomped.

Do I hear an Amen ?