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I doubt career wise he cares. He's a few weeks from retirement. Less stress on his plate and the Navy gets to say they held "someone" accountable. ___________________________ All it takes...is all you got. ____________________________ For those who have fought for it, Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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Easy out for the Navy. Will the commander of DESRON15 and CSG5/TF70 also be held accountable? After all, three of those affected ship was under their commands as well, not to mention their removable for repairs, affects escort and BMD readiness in a forward deployed region. | |||
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A is gives you the size of the vessel as well as a picture of it in addition to all of the other info. While ais has base stations. You can see ships on www.marinetraffic.com, they are not necessary to see ships within around 50 miles of you as you pick up their ais transmissions directly. | |||
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In relatively calm seas, under 5' I can tune a radar to pick up birds flying, and a 30' clear as day. While it's true in 8-10' as captain mike said it would be difficult, but can be done. The problem with tuning a radar for rain or rough seas is, there is a fine line of tuning seas or rain out and also tuning out small targets. | |||
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I agree, I've called over a dozen navy ships. I'm on a recreational vessel, but every time I called them it was in close quarters. I've had to call them multiple times, over a 5 minute period usually to get a response. | |||
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The captain of a ship cannot work more than a 12 hour shift due to safe manning requirements. They need sleep and time off just like everyone else. You can't go wake the captain up 3 times a night unless its a real emergency. The first officer who stands the other watch is perfectly trained and competent in running the ship in nearly all situations. The captain does not run his ship into port either, a pilot does. Sometimes the first officer is even more trained and has more experience than the captain. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
I somehow don't believe that they follow the same federal work/rest hour rules in the Navy that we do. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Info Guru |
I guess my question from page 2 is answered today.
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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Low Speed, High Drag |
No they do not. I've had ships CO's that wanted to be woken up anytime anything changed. No one made a decision but him. It seemed to me a lot of the Blackshoe Navy were proud of the small amount of sleep they got. Work all day, get one or two hours of sleep, stand watch half the night, sleep another one or two and then start all over again. "Blessed is he who when facing his own demise, thinks only of his front sight.” Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem Montani Semper Liberi | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
I suppose you have an authority to cite for this novel and imaginative nonsense, like a Bupers Manual or similar. For one thing, there is no such thing as a "First Officer" on a Navy ship. The Captain does not stand a watch, that I've ever heard of, nor usually "take the conn," although he can if he wishes to do so. He designates other officers to be Officer of the Deck ("OOD") and those officers stand watch in rotation. There may be some special situations, like General Quarters OOD, Underway Replenishment OOD, or Special Sea and Anchor Detail, designated to take the conn during those evolutions. The Captain is awake and on the bridge, in his chair, usually for those exciting events. It is true that on some ships and in some harbors, a pilot is brought aboard who is experienced with local conditions, working with tugs. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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video of DDG 56 coming in to Singapore. good view of the damaged area starting about 1'52" in https://youtu.be/OCFh41mGCfY | |||
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Same salient comments over at gCaptain Red Over Red, The Failure Of U.S. Navy Leadership
US Navy Loss Of The USS Guardian, 2 Patrol Boats, USS Fitzgerald and USS McCain. Why Does The List Keeps Going?
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| As Extraordinary as Everyone Else  |
I have to agree. I was listening to a talking head yesterday who said that there would normally be 2 officers and 6 enlisted men on the bridge who were responsible for piloting the ship. Several of those enlisted men would be on watch duty. So my question is WTF was the port watch doing that he couldn't see a 600 ft. ship approaching them?? OTOH according to international rules of the road if the tanker was approaching them from their port side as the collision would indicate the McCain would normally have the right of way. I would have thought that the tankers course would have been plotted out by hand if it's not done automatically and an alarmed sounded and attempts to establish communication with the tanker at least half a mile out from collision if not further out. ------------------ Eddie Our Founding Fathers were men who understood that the right thing is not necessarily the written thing. -kkina | |||
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There's a time-tested exercise that would solve the problem. Sailors would be required to lower themselves down the bow in order to take a dump. Not only would that provide an extra set of eyes but also reduce the consumption of toilet paper. I still think that we should declare war on merchant vessels. "Fire on sight!". *************************** Knowing more by accident than on purpose. | |||
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Baroque Bloke |
I'd bet that he hates the blot on his service record though. Serious about crackers | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Us down amongst the Black Gang are always the first to die. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
Here is an animation of the track of the merchant ship. Link Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Saw an interview with the commander of the Cole this morning. According to him, they used to send these officers to a 16 week course to learn how to drive these boats and now the course is a self-study program given to them in CD form. Additionally they have reduced the number of sailors on watches to one. He blamed the Hadji administration. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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