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Originally posted by billnchristy:
Hard to civil war with a bullet button and 10 round mags ain't it?

Bwahhahaahaahhaaaaa (breath) Bwaahhaahhaahhhhahha

I find it very ironic.

These are the same libs who laughed out loud with scorn and derision when Texans talked about leaving the Union.

How's the slipper fit now Cinderella?

I'm all for States voting themselves out with due process. The National Government in DC is a growing, malignant tumor. Electing Trump is a step in the right direction but there is no guarantee he is actually going to reduce the size of government. So I believe States should be free to "Texit", "Cali-exit", "Wyo-exit", etc. It just has to run both ways.

And to be frank, I'd rather have CA leave first so we can keep the Stars-and-Stripes for ourselves :-)

That should say "Some people - -". I don't agree with most of the Dems. I have lived here 67 years and take exception to the generalized expulsion of the State from the Union. I could probably write something nasty about any state represented in this thread, but I believe God says to do otherwise.

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Originally posted by rsbolo:

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Originally posted by entropy:
I once had a CA native (and relatively intelligent person) tell me that CA "grew more fruits and vegetables than the rest of the Country combined".

He was talking about the people.

Hehehe... true

Agriculture is a huge part of their economy, though, and they grow a *lot* of food there... with imported water. Might get tricky if they're not in the same country as the Colorado River anymore.

67 years of feeding the beast. Wow.

They're not going anywhere. except into bankruptcy.

It's the businesses that are leaving - and those with enough sense to realize it's gotten all screwed up. The problem is, they get to wherever they're going - then make the same stupid choices.

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Originally posted by konata88:
Please make it so -- California being the coastal areas primarily. Leave the state of Jefferson behind.

This. I'd vote for this and have to move about 60 miles to be in the new friendly state. Absolutely.

The coastal libs would never agree as they loose access to the water their cities drink.

I know they would never be successful...but the thought of it does suit the shit out me ...it would be a long DMZ

There is science, logic, reason; there is thought verified by experience. And then there is California.
- Edward Abbey

That's where we should build a fence.

I would support this. There is no reason it would have to be bitter. It could be an amicable split. We could do it over a period of ten years. It would basically be like Canada.

Only if we can build a wall to keep them out of the rest of our country.

I can't figure California out. Yesterday they voted to keep death penalty, and to speed up the rate of executions:

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/...opts-to-10604326.php

California voters defeated a ballot measure to repeal the state’s death penalty, while voting to pass a rival measure backed by prosecutors that would seek to speed up executions.

For the second time in four years, voters rejected a law to reduce the maximum sentence for capital crimes to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Proposition 62 was defeated 54 percent to 46 percent.

Proposition 66, which would set strict timelines for state court rulings in capital cases and limit future appeals, won with a narrow 51 percent of the vote, with 99 percent of precincts reporting.

The voters of California are affirming fairly strongly, once again, that they are in favor of the death penalty,” said Contra Costa County District Attorney Gary Peterson, a spokesman for the campaign to defeat Prop. 62 and pass Prop. 66.

The results indicated a sharp divide between the Bay Area and most of the rest of the state. Prop. 62 was drawing more than two-thirds support in San Francisco and Marin counties and over 60 percent in Alameda County, but was polling in the mid-30s in most of the Central Valley and inland areas.

The vote came even as nationwide opinion polls indicated the lowest level of support for capital punishment in 40 years. Executions in the United States are on a pace to total 20 this year, the lowest number since 1991.

California has nation’s largest Death Row, with 750 prisoners. But the state has executed only 13 prisoners since enacting its death penalty law in 1977, and none since January 2006.

Executions have been on hold since then because of rulings by a federal judge, who found major flaws in injection procedures and staff training, and by state courts that have set stiff standards for adopting new procedures.

An initiative to repeal the death penalty lost by 4 percentage points in 2012.

Backers of Prop. 62 stressed the death penalty’s financial effects in their campaign. The Legislature’s nonpartisan fiscal analyst said a repeal would save the state $150 million a year by eliminating penalty-phase trials and appeals and transferring inmates from high-security, single-cell enclosures to the general prison population.

Supporters of Prop. 66 disputed those cost savings and said their measure would save money by speeding up executions and lowering the Death Row population. Death sentence appeals can take more than 20 years to resolve, and the measure’s backers said they could reduce that substantially by requiring the state Supreme Court to rule on a condemned prisoner’s direct appeal within five years. That’s half as long as it typically takes a capital case to make its way through the state’s high court.

The five-year deadline, from the time of sentencing, would also apply to the second-stage appeals known as habeas corpus, which typically involve claims of incompetent legal representation, misconduct by prosecutors or jurors, and other issues that may be uncovered long after trial. Those cases would move from the state’s high court to the original trial court, and the defense lawyer’s filing deadline would be reduced from three years to one year.

Prop. 66 will prohibit further appeals except when the defense offers evidence that the defendant was innocent. Another provision seeks to speed up the appointment of defense lawyers, now in short supply, by requiring attorneys to take capital appeals if they already accept court appointments in non-capital cases.

As of Monday, $16,104,181 had been raised in support of Prop. 62 and $12,529,306 against it. For Prop. 66, it was $13,173,990 in support and $17,686,257 against.

Good, let's give California back to Mexico!111111111

They would also have to take their portion of the national debt.

Maybe they could get an IMF loan?

Bye bye ! Enjoy yourselves... don't bother calling.

no great loss

send them a bill for their portion of the national debt, seize all their currencies, revoke their citizenship and kick the pricks out

if they want out, they can be all the way out and I'm fine with that

when can I vote for them to leave?

So so so silly and short sighted. The southern border is a disaster under the feds and would be a turnstile if Sacramento was in charge. All that free stuff needs to be paid for. Bouncing is about the only thing that could make me leave. They're as delusional as the goofs up north who want to leave.

Bye Felicia!

A large part (45.8%) of the land in CA is federally owned.

CA would have to print their own currency and exchange rates would have to be set.
The federal government owns and operates the San Francisco Mint. I guess we could sell it to them.

CA passports/visas will have to be issued and border crossings set up.
CA driver’s licenses will have to be printed and CA/US reciprocity arrangements made.

The legal systems will have to be separated. No small task.

International calling codes will have to be used between CA and US.
CA will have to develop their own postal system.

The USGS currently supplies personnel and equipment to monitor earthquakes. CA will have to find someone else.

ALL US government-run organizations and their benefits would not apply to CA; Social Security, Medicare, military defense, USDOT, etc, etc.

And that’s just for starters.

Yes, you can leave the country.

No, you can't take the state with you.

Just leave the country, there's a good metrosexual.