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And don't ya dare crash one, for there's an even larger backlog for replacement parts. God bless America. | |||
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Now is the winter of our discount tent...  "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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"home-based energy storage" I have a rich friend in Pensacola who built/is building a Tesla house. He and his family have several Teslas. Solar roof tiles recharge batteries in the "basement". He gave Musk $$$$ down payment to "reserve" the tiles and batteries. Finally bought regular roof tiles and kissed off the extra wiring for the "vapor" batteries. He told me that he was told all batteries went to Puerto Rico. Virtue signaling, yanno. | |||
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I don't think they use PV cells for the plant out in the Mojave. They use an array of mirrors to focus the solar energy on to a boiler, then use the heat energy to produce electricity. | |||
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Mr Musk had gone to the Kentucky Derby and is having a great time, making bets on three-legged horses using YOUR money. tac | |||
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It doesn't??? Awwww, frack!This message has been edited. Last edited by: RichardC, ____________________ | |||
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Seriously, if you want to virtue signal with what you drive... isn't a Prius a better option? "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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 SIG556 Classic P220 Carry SAS Gen 2 SAO SP2022 9mm German Triple Serial P938 SAS P365 FDE Psalm 118:24 "This is the day which the Lord hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it" | |||
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Elon Musk seems increasingly paranoid and bizarre... and the entire company clearly rests on this one man. It doesn't seem to be a recipe for long-term success. ***** As Tesla races to meet Model 3 deadline, factory pressures and suspicions grow Tesla chief Elon Musk said last week that the company’s layoffs of 9 percent of its workforce wouldn’t affect production as the all-electric automaker races to build thousands of new Model 3 sedans a week. But documents the company filed days later with the state of California show that more than 400 workers will be terminated at its Fremont factory, including dozens of directors, managers, technicians and other workers in manufacturing, engineering and quality inspection. The mass layoffs offer a glimpse of the surging pressure the company is facing to keep up with the ambitious goals Musk has set. Factory workers say they’re being pushed to ramp up work even as their co-workers are being pushed out the door. But they also suggest the space-age car company is facing more chaos at the factory than its drivers and investors may understand. The company has, unconventionally, moved some car production to a giant tent. And Musk, in recent all-employee emails, said the company suffered setbacks from a factory fire and an internal saboteur. Tesla pledged to make 5,000 of its mass-market Model 3 sedans every week by the end of 2017, but the company has been mired in what Musk called “production hell,” a delay that has hurt investor confidence and constrained the company’s sales. But as Musk has revved up workers toward that goal, he has also called on them to be “extremely vigilant” in patrolling for “outside forces” bent on sabotaging their work. [As Elon Musk promises ‘full self-driving,’ experts worry Tesla is ‘using consumers as guinea pigs’] In a company-wide email, sent just before midnight on Sunday and provided to The Post, Musk said an unnamed Tesla employee had sabotaged operations and ferreted away “large amounts of highly sensitive Tesla data.” Though Musk noted the worker’s “stated motivation” was not receiving a promotion, Musk said “there may be considerably more to this situation than meets the eye,” and pointed to a "long list of organizations that want Tesla to die,” including Wall Street investors striving to profit from Tesla’s failure, legacy automakers challenged by a growing rival, and oil-industry moguls seeking to boost gas-guzzling cars. In another email nine hours later, Musk said there had been “another strange incident that was hard to explain” — a small fire in the factory that stopped production for several hours. The Fremont Fire and Police departments said they were not called to respond to the factory, and the company declined to provide further comment on the emails. “Only the paranoid survive,” Musk wrote. The billionaire tech entrepreneur has long advanced a viewpoint of Tesla-against-the-world, helping build his upstart car company’s reputation as a nail in the tire of Big Auto. But Musk’s latest wave of conspiracy thinking — coming within days of similar attacks on labor unions and journalists — has surprised even long-time Tesla watchers. “He’s always been combative,” said Mike Ramsey, an automotive research director at Gartner, the advisory firm. But “the public displays of paranoia have become increasingly odd. To me, they seem to reflect a level of anxiety or pressure that I haven’t seen recently.” [Video shows Tesla bursting into flames on L.A. street ‘out of the blue’] That pressure has also seeped into the company’s 10,000-employee car factory in Fremont, California. Though Tesla has said it wants it “to be the safest factory on Earth,” three factory workers told The Post that they worried the accelerated Model 3 demands could compromise the cars’ safety and lead to more injuries and worker burnout. “We’re a NASCAR pit crew,” said one worker, who declined to be named because he feared retaliation. “We’re doing this at the speed of light.” One worker said he was afraid to raise his concerns with his supervisor amid ongoing Tesla layoffs. The company declined to comment. California’s Division of Occupational Safety and Health, or Cal/OSHA, has opened two active investigations into Tesla, one of which involves a 30-year-old worker who was taken to the hospital after a piece of factory equipment broke his jaw. Those investigations are ongoing, the agency said Tuesday. The layoffs, Musk said, were part of a “difficult but necessary” reorganization targeting mostly salaried employees, not workers on the production line, adding that the cuts would “not affect our ability to reach Model 3 production targets in the coming months." The layoff documents, known as Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification or WARN notices, name only a fraction of the lost Tesla jobs. More than 80 workers will be laid off at Tesla’s Palo Alto headquarters, the notices say. [Tesla to lay off 9 percent of its workers] To speed up car production, Musk said Tesla is now testing an unconventional alternative, raising a giant tent structure on the Fremont grounds and building a new factory line inside from warehouse scrap. The “pretty sweet” tent, Musk said on Twitter, is “more comfortable” and “way better” than the factory building, and Musk on Twitter congratulated the team for building an “entire new general assembly line in 3 weeks (with) minimal resources.” Fremont building permits show the open-air structure is temporarily approved for up to 6 months, and show that fire sprinklers and other building features have been deferred. Industry experts said it’s incredibly rare for a carmaker to sprint toward production goals by pitching a tent. “I have literally never heard of any major manufacturer of any sort doing this, ever,” Ramsey said. Saying “humans are underrated,” Musk has in the past blamed excessive automation and other factors for production slowdowns. “The machines can only do so much,” said Bill Selesky, a Tesla analyst at Argus Research. “Elon finally realized, ‘Wow, you can’t do this without employees.’” But, he said, “they’re the ones who get the job done.” https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.91e6c31c8bf3 "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Yup, I spent a year and a half on a computer project to monitor throughput on the final assembly line in an automobile manufacturing plant. The "Paint Hospital," where vehicles with paint problems were treated, was a major speed bump in production. הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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This is not standard for the auto industry, to say the least, says Arthur Wheaton of Cornell University’s labor and industrial relations program. Automakers have built temporary structures in the past, usually to house excess inventory or to deal with emergencies. Ford once built temporary structures to shelter thousands of unfinished Explorer SUVs missing seats as supplier issues were worked out. That’s of a different order than making use of a facility designed to be temporary to serve as a permanent installation housing tens of millions in sensitive machinery, computers and unfinished cars, Wheaton says. Weather or a natural disaster could spell disaster. “It’s a sign of desperation, but it could work out,” he says. “It seems appropriate that the P.T. Barnum of the auto industry puts production under the Big Top.” https://qz.com/1309773/watch-t...line-in-three-weeks/ "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Yes, if the paint shop daily through-put is 420, attempts to get 430 will result in about 50 cars requiring rework. In any event, the paint shop is often the bottleneck in the line, if parts supply is not. Much of the system is time based, dip tanks, drying ovens, transport by painting robots, etc.. I don't know if this is a union shop or not---the old Toyota plant on the same site was UAW. Good luck speeding up the system, especially when you are firing people. Let the floggings continue until morale improves! | |||
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It's not a union shop. Some have tried to organize... Elon Musky has successfully stopped it. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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WTF? Those things go like a scalded dog. Why all the hate? He may or may not be onto the next big thing. Maybe more likely not, but you guys sound like predicting his downfall makes you downright gleeful. I am also anti-subsidy, and without them Musk probably wouldn't have even got this far. But I won't be delighted if Musk ends up in a homeless shelter. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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I hope he does. Stop pissing away MY money. If he is truly such a genius who holds the keys to the future the private sector will be willing to finance him. They apparently aren't, because he apparently isn't. | |||
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This SolarCity deal was little more than a family bailout. With interlocked directorships and conflicts out the wazooo.... How do Tesla shareholders feel about being the bagholders for Musk and his cousins? Nobody could have seen this coming... "It's Been A Difficult Few Days" - Musk Shutters 'SolarCity Facilities' Across 9 States https://www.zerohedge.com/news...ties-across-9-states "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Elon Musk has about the same level of "honor" as the Clintons and Obama. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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I don't know the guy, haven't met him, but he seems to make a lot of big, empty promises. Tesla wouldn't have gotten off the ground without a $500 million .gov subsidy under Obama. It seems that he needed Hillary to win, only a Democrat administration would keep him going. When he needs more capital later this year, where will he turn? I don't think Wall Street will be wild about underwriting a secondary offering. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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All of you mean, nasty Republicans need to give him the money he needs and stop asking so many questions! All of this is to "Save the Planet". Don't you care about saving the planet? Jeez. </sarcasm> | |||
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I have never met him personally, have some neighbors who used to work for Tesla (I live in Silicon Valley). There are a lot of negative vibes around here re what really goes on at Tesla. A local Venture Capitalist type commented to me that Musk is "too big to fail", meaning he has enough momentum/support from politicians and media that they will see he doesn't fall. Seems one of his firms is doing a deal with a high speed underground shuttle to serve O'Hare Airport (Chicago has $1B extra money to play with?). From an accounting/finance perspective, it might be interesting to see what kind of inter-company transactions there are between the various Elon related firms. As you noted, the Solar City deal was a family bailout, Musk called the merger a "no brainer" (maybe if you have no brains you will fall for it  ). And it was recently announced that Solar City will shut down about 20% of their facilities, close all their booths at Home Depot, cut around 10% of their staff. (Sidenote. Musk says man will destroy Earth, we will have to migrate to Mars and live underground there). "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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