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| Jack of All Trades, Master of Nothing  |
From my experience on Tuesday flying from Phoenix to Anchorage, be prepared for additional harrassment and delays from the TSA when traveling with firearms. Used to be in Phoenix was a simple process; declare firearms when checking in with the airline, sign the declaration form, put it inside the case and then walk it over to the TSA check point next to the airline ticketing counters where it was checked in. I was told their. "New procedure" is now in effect when I checked in Tuesday afternoon. One must wait in the ticketing area to be escorted to the basement by a TSA agent. Once there, wait in the hallway with your TSA escort and other passengers before entering the inspection room. Only one traveler at a time allowed in the inspection room. Once in the inspection room travellers are told to wait behind the gate, hand over the keys or combination to the locks on their cases while 3 TSA agents take the cases behind the gate for inspection. I was then told they would inspect my firearms and record serial numbers, to which I politely replied, "Absolutely not!" "Well, it's the new procedure" A lengthy conversation ensued and eventually they backed down from their demands that they inspect them and record serial numbers. My declaration forms were enclosed in the cases, they locked the cases and returned my keys to me. They also swabbed the inside of my cases for explosive residue which seemed odd, I mean it is a rifle case after all and explosives are what makes firearms work. I had just enough time to get through security and make it to my gate in time for final boarding. Thankfully everything made it to Anchorage as well. Worrisome to me is the fact that the TSA built out an inspection room within the airport. If they went to the trouble and cost of that, makes it seem like they have more restrictions planned for the future. The other frightening situation was the complete and total lack of firearms knowledge those doing the inspection had. When they opened my first case a Winchester 70 and Ruger No. 1 rifle were on the top level. My escort made the comment, "You've got a couple of single actions there." "No, those are a couple of my hunting rifles." "Yeah, they're single actions, not like an AK-47 or anything." Moral of the story; allow plenty of extra time, know the law and published procedures, don't just blindly go along with TSA requests without questioning and remain polite and respectful. My daughter can deflate your daughter's soccer ball. | ||
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Damn. I am picking up a Winchester Mod. 70 in a few weeks from my dad and planned to bring it back on the plane with me. I've flow in and out of PHL plenty of times with guns. Maybe I'll look into shipping it to myself. | |||
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If you ever have issues with TSA ask for thier supervisor. Keep pressing the matter they WILL back down. Also if you want to bring a water bottle through security tell them its for medical purposes, they CANNOT ask further questions and will let you being a bottle through. | |||
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Sigforum K9 handler |
I’m not real sure about “new” procedures, but this has been in play in many airports, for many years. I have never had a single bad experience flying with a checked gun. Phoenix has been this way for at least two years. A JV rifle team went through the last time I flew out of there. Poor TSA guy liked frazzled with the number of guns that went through there that day. | |||
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| Rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated  |
TSA is out of control. They had zero people to screen when I approached the other day. I found her to be rude, short, and generally a bitch. I promptly went to the counter and complained. "Someday I hope to be half the man my bird-dog thinks I am." looking forward to 4 years of TRUMP! | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
I thought you weren't supposed to hand over the lock keys to anyone including the TSA. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Striker in waiting |
You’re not. Make sure you have time to miss your flight when you press that one. BTDT - last time was @ PBI, which is usually fine. -Rob I predict that there will be many suggestions and statements about the law made here, and some of them will be spectacularly wrong. - jhe888 A=A | |||
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| Move Up or Move Over |
that was a fun conversation a couple of months back for me. Give me the key. With respect, no. back and forth dude turning redder and redder. Was afraid he was going to stroke out. Suggested supervisory involvement. At first no, then yes. Supervisor was no better but at least she read the regs I had printed out. Finally higher supervisor came in and explained the regs to them. Just barely made my flight. Stayed positive and polite. Was really hard but I just kept telling myself these folks didn't mean to be stupid, they just were... | |||
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| women dug his snuff and his gallant stroll |
Just remember, TSA agents are burger flipping flunkies. | |||
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Just asked my FFL about this and he said recording serial numbers was totally illegal. | |||
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No, not true at all. https://www.tsa.gov/travel/tra...earms-and-ammunition
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Perhaps he'd care to cite the law that makes it illegal? | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Wow, when did they change that? ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Rather than repost it, this thread has previously given links and excerpts, and relevant comments. https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...935/m/5550062964/p/2 | |||
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Yeah, I ran into that at PHL last month. They tied me up for 30 minutes which made me nervous. They were behind closed doors with an MP5 clone for the entire time. They didn’t mention recording S/N’s but did say it was new procedure. However, the other end of the trip, RSW, had none of that nonsense. It was quick and at the gate and over in 5 minutes. La Dolce Vita | |||
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| I Am The Walrus |
The TSA (Totally Stupid Assholes) is why I drive, I don't care if it's a 24 hour drive, I'd rather do that than have to deal with them. I wish they would all be fired and screening returned to local LE. Out of all the government waste out there, this is possibly one of the worst. _____________ | |||
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I had no issues declaring a firearm from PHL to STL last week. Hopefully my return Friday out of STL is just as smooth. UPDATE: No issue or delay checking-in at STL.This message has been edited. Last edited by: sgalczyn, "No matter where you go - there you are" | |||
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| I have a very particular set of skills |
That's the ridiculous part of it right there...all that effort...escorts, inspection rooms, etc. and then when you get to the actual point of the whole process...they don't have a qualified person to do the very thing they're supposed to be doing. If they're going to go through all that effort, they should have someone qualified to actually competently perform the required inspections. Surely out of all the TSA's out in the airports, there's some that could be formally, properly training in safe firearms handling and safety checks. Pretty much something similar to the NRA's Home Firearms Safety course. Like others here...unless its like 1000+ miles, I'll just drive unless its urgent business. C&C it...coffee and cruise control. Funny, used to be airline passengers were treated like the paying clients they are. Boss A real life Sisyphus... "It's not the critic who counts..." TR Exodus 23.2: Do not follow the crowd in doing wrong... Despite some people's claims to the contrary, 5 lbs. is actually different than 12 lbs. It's never simple/easy. | |||
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A Grateful American |
So... how many skyscrapers have been saved since 9-11 now? I've lost count. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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| 10mm is The Boom of Doom  |
All of them? God Bless and Protect the Once and Future President, Donald John Trump. | |||
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