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There is an old adage about the Corps of Engineers.

They will promise anything, knowing delays will be attributed to unforeseen circumstances, even when the circumstance is foreseen.

Opening even a reduced passage in the main channel affects the ability to finish clearing the rest of the wreckage in the main channel.

The sonar images show the bridge utterly collapsed in the main channel in water with zero visibility. Good luck removing that debris in a hurry.


We are still having supply chain issues.....Since Bidet has destroyed Coal/Energy/Manufacturing jobs here, it is going to take a lot of boats to bring enough Chinese steel in to rebuild that bridge. Roll Eyes (The rolleyes is for the pre-planned excuses coming form the Bidet Assministration)
 
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Container Ship Reportedly "Lost Power" In NYC Harbor, Right Before Verrazzano-Narrows Bridge



And no one would have ever heard about this if the media now were not trying to sensationalize every loss of power or propulsion incident involving ships.

Like I said previously, it happens, and not infrequently.


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And…here it is: Civil rights groups call for collapsed Baltimore bridge to be renamed when it's rebuilt because legacy of national anthem author Francis Scott Key is 'clouded with racism accusations'

Civil rights groups are calling for the collapsed Baltimore bridge to be renamed when it's rebuilt, citing accusations of racism against national anthem author Francis Scott Key.

The Caucus of African American Leaders of Anne Arundel County in Maryland voted unanimously to call for the renaming and will lobby governor Wes Moore on the proposal, as reported by the Baltimore Banner.

The caucus includes civil rights groups such as the NAACP and the National Coalition of 100 Black Women.

Leaders argued that the The Star-Spangled Banner author -who the collapsed bridge was named after - was a slave owner who wrote lyrics that scholars have said 'demeaned black people.'

They have asked for the bridge to be renamed after late congressman Parren J Mitchel, the first black man from Maryland elected to the US House of Representatives.


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Fuck these demented asssholes who want to either remove historic monuments or rename everything under the sun to something absolutely ludicrous.



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And…here it is: Civil rights groups call for collapsed Baltimore bridge to be renamed when it's rebuilt because legacy of national anthem author Francis Scott Key is 'clouded with racism accusations'

Civil rights groups are calling for the collapsed Baltimore bridge to be renamed when it's rebuilt, citing accusations of racism against national anthem author Francis Scott Key.

The Caucus of African American Leaders of Anne Arundel County in Maryland voted unanimously to call for the renaming and will lobby governor Wes Moore on the proposal, as reported by the Baltimore Banner.

The caucus includes civil rights groups such as the NAACP and the National Coalition of 100 Black Women.

Leaders argued that the The Star-Spangled Banner author -who the collapsed bridge was named after - was a slave owner who wrote lyrics that scholars have said 'demeaned black people.'

They have asked for the bridge to be renamed after late congressman Parren J Mitchel, the first black man from Maryland elected to the US House of Representatives.


-more at linky.

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They should be able to make whatever demands they want for naming the bridge

As long as they pay for the whole thing out of pocket

Until then, they should STFU and go back to their looting and burning
 
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I'm hoping to see a friend and colleague in the next few days who is currently down on the Dali helping out with their Generator issues. The most I could get out of him without prying too much was that they were having some serious generator control issues, meaning in their power management system. So not fuel related like I first suspected. I wonder if the ship recently had their system upgraded. On my ship, we just had our power management system upgraded. There are always little gremlins hiding about when new shit is integrated with old.

Anyway, I hope that I learn more when I meet him face to face. Just from a professional standpoint, I'm very interested.


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Wait... The new bridge will be named... The Martin Luther King Bridge, right?
In every city I have been in, the worst neighborhood has a street running through it named after King.


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Wait... The new bridge will be named... The Martin Luther King Bridge, right?
In every city I have been in, the worst neighborhood has a street running through it named after King.



Freddie Carlos Gray Jr. Memorial Bridge.





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The new bridge will be named... The Martin Luther King Bridge, right?
Better than the Al Sharpton Bridge.

Oh...and don't forget the "Jr." after King. Roll Eyes


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Freddie Carlos Gray Jr. Memorial Bridge

You mean they wouldn't honor her former mayor Cathy Pugh instead?

Personally I like "We Shoulda Budgeted For The Damn Dolphins Memorial Bridge". Shit invariably happens whenever people are involved. Frickin' plan for it to the best of one's ability.


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This isn't any surprise as anybody following this knew schedules were going to be upended.
2 Cutters Stuck in Coast Guard Maintenace Yard After Key Bridge Collapse
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Two Coast Guard cutters are stuck in the service’s Curtis Bay shipyard, with five others unable to get in for scheduled maintenance due to the Key Bridge collapse.

The Coast Guard shipyard in Curtis Bay, Md., is located off of Curtis Creek, a tributary of the Patapsco River, the river in which the shipping channel from Port of Baltimore flows. It is the service’s only maintenance shipyard.

At any given time, there are 11 to 13 ships at Curtis Bay, Capt. Thomas Lowry, chief of the Office of Engineering, told USNI News at the Sea Air Space 2024 symposium.

However, there are two cutters in the shipyard, as of Thursday, that were scheduled to depart in early April but cannot due to the Key Bridge collapse, Rear Adm. Amy Grable, assistant commandant for Engineering and Logistics, told USNI News.

Buoy tender USCGC Hickory (WLB-212) was set to depart on April 3 for its new homeport in Guam, Grable said. Automatic identification system information places the ship in Curtis Bay, as of Monday.

Medium endurance cutter USCGC Diligence (WMEC-616) was set to leave on April 5, Grable said. When she visited the yard on Thursday, the cutter was still there.

The 210-foot cutter can sail in 12 feet of water, and one of the temporary channels is 14 feet deep, Grable said. Grable referred USNI News to the unified command, set up by the Coast Guard to respond to the Key Bridge collapse, for a list of which ships had left Curtis Bay, as well as which ones had arrived.

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Three lanes have been opened out of the port of Baltimore.

I believe the current deepest channel is 14 feet. Prior to the bridge collapse the channel was about 50 feet deep. The keel of large container ships would come within a foot of the bottom.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi...e-collapse-ap-source

The FBI has opened a criminal investigation into the Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse in Baltimore, The Associated Press has confirmed from a source.

The probe, first reported by the Washington Post, centers on the 985-foot container ship, the Dali, looking at least in part into whether the crew left the Port of Baltimore knowing the vessel had serious system problems.

Authorities are looking into the events leading up to the moment the ship lost power before slamming into one of the bridge’s support pillars, the Post reported, citing two U.S. officials familiar with the matter.
 
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Freddie Carlos Gray Jr. Memorial Bridge

You mean they wouldn't honor her former mayor Cathy Pugh instead?

Personally I like "We Shoulda Budgeted For The Damn Dolphins Memorial Bridge".



I'm thinking something to honor both African Americans as well as the current administration for all they've done for race relations, etc. over the last 3 years.

I think "Corn Pop Parkway" has a nice ring to it. Or maybe something to honor the first African American VP? Perhaps "Kamala Causeway?"



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FBI opens criminal investigation into collapse of Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore

https://nypost.com/2024/04/15/...is-scott-key-bridge/

The FBI has opened a criminal investigation on the container ship that took down Baltimore’s Francis Scott Key Bridge last month, looking to determine if the ship’s crew left the port knowing the vessel was troubled.

Officials are reviewing the events that led up to the massive, 980-foot-long Dali container ship colliding with one of the Key Bridge’s support pillars, two US officials with knowledge of the matter told the Washington Post.

“The FBI is present aboard the cargo ship Dali conducting court authorized law enforcement activity,” the agency said in a statement Monday morning.

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so since the FBI is now involved, absolutely nothing will will happen
 
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The FBI has opened a criminal investigation on the container ship that took down Baltimore’s Francis Scott Key Bridge last month, looking to determine if the ship’s crew left the port knowing the vessel was troubled.

Given the magnitude of this, and the varying possibilities for foul play, I'd have been surprised if a criminal probe was NOT started. Gov can't charge anybody unless it has a formal investigation to work around. Where this investigation goes, or what it amounts to....
 
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The investigation isn't in regards to foul play. It's about criminal negligence.

And from what I'm hearing, there may be some negligence here. The electrical issue on that vessel was primarily within the switchboard. It does sound like it was an ongoing issue, and in this case it just reared its head at the worst possible time.

I hope for the crew's sake that they have documented everything such as in emails and work orders trying to address the issue and not just shrugging it off or kicking the can down the road. Either way they're going to have tough questions to answer. As a Chief Engineer, the pressure is always on to keep the ship moving, but sometimes you just have to push back at the office and force the issue to get fixed. That's not an easy, cut-and-dry thing to do sometimes.


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Saw an article that said all the crew is still on the ship, and that they were still having electrical issues when they left port.

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Seems natural that the .gov would investigate this fully, wouldn't this normally be by NTSB, someone must suspect more than just a human or mechanical failure or at least want to see if there is more.

With all the stuff going on in the world, port security should be high on .gov's list.
 
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Saw an article that said all the crew is still on the ship, and that they were still having electrical issues.



Yes, all are still onboard, and the electrical issues persist.

They are flying in some specialized team from India to assist with the repair and troubleshooting.


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