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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
My blood is boiling over this story.
Here is an interview with this asshole. I think this may be how Kansas gets him for felony murder, maybe even capital murder (if he was paid to do the swatting). Every last person involved must pay a massive price as a warning to others. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | ||
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Probably inaccurate or poorly written reporting, but if not, there is something wrong there as well. Private citizens don't just call out the SWAT team. The guy just walks up to his front door and is immediately shot? The police don't even try to assess the situation first? Surely there is more to it than that. | |||
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The Joy Maker |
Police got a call of a murder and a hostage being taken, I can't really fault them for being a bit gung-ho. If it turned out to be the real deal, and they took too long, the wailing and gnashing of teeth about how the police are useless would be just as deafening as the wailing and gnashing of teeth when they shoot an unarmed man. They're kind of damned if they do, damned if they don't. In this case, I believe the police were the tool, the killing was perpetrated by the assclown in California. The police just did what police do, respond to calls, this asshole knew that, he knew that calling in something like that could result in a man's death, and it did. This is no more a prank than having a friend rob a liquor store with a taped up water pistol. 
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Fighting the good fight |
There is. The asshole arrested in the OP had called the police in Kansas, claimed to have shot and killed a man, and claimed to be holding other people hostage, who he planned to douse in gasoline and set on fire. He had spoofed the phone call to make it appear that it originated from the victim's address. He believed that a guy who had made him angry in an online game lived there, but in actuality he did not. So the police were responding to what they believed was a hostage situation with an armed murderer. When the police arrived, the victim exited the house. He was given commands at gunpoint to put his hands up, but the victim allegedly disregarded this and reached down to his waist. An officer fired, reportedly believing he was reaching for a weapon in his waistband or pocket. The shooting is currently under investigation. | |||
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| No Compromise |
Shaka, when the walls fell. There is so much fail to go around on this one. I don't know where to start. H&K-Guy | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
One hopes there will be copious video documentation of just what went down at that moment. If it's as been so far related: While unfortunate, I'd have to side with the police on this one. How hard can it be, when law enforcement has firearms aimed at you, to instantly comply with simple commands such as "don't move," "put your hands up," "get down on the ground" and the like? I don't care if my pants are about to fall off. If I have guns pointed at me and the cops yelling "Put your hands up!," my hands are going up and staying up. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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Raptorman |
Suuuuuuurrreeee that's what happened. Really it was. Let's ask the murder victim. Oh wait. Will the city fight the family tooth and nail over the inevitable wrongful death suit, or own up to the fact they blatantly fucked up and murdered an innocent man? ____________________________ Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick. | |||
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| The success of a solution usually depends upon your point of view |
We've all seen videos where 2 or 3 cops are yelling different commands at the same time. "Don't move", "put your hands up", "get down on the ground". When you drop your hands to get down on the ground you get shot by the cop who said to put your hands up because you reached for your waistband. I'm not suggesting that this was the case here, but I think in some high stress situations it may be a lot harder then you make it out to be. “We truly live in a wondrous age of stupid.” - 83v45magna "I think it's important that people understand free speech doesn't mean free from consequences societally or politically or culturally." -Pranjit Kalita, founder and CIO of Birkoa Capital Management | |||
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If the state has anyone who is a decent officer working for them, they would know the law. Most states will not hold the officer or the city in the wrong, since they are responding to a call for help. Asshole who made the call should be held liable for it, since the officer did his job. Many states have laws covering this. I know Ga law states that a belief of harm to yourself, or a third party is reasonable grounds for deadly force. And that law is for anyone. Not just law enforcement. YMMV, but I find many states that care about its people tend to have a stand your ground/self defense law. Officer fired in self-defense if nothing else Arrived on scene, tells suspected murderer to show hands, drops him when he goes for a weapon. What more do you want? Used guns deserve a home too | |||
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| Raptorman |
He never "went for a weapon". That is the story of the shooter. The man is the VICTIM. ____________________________ Eeewwww, don't touch it! Here, poke at it with this stick. | |||
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safe & sound |
I want an actual weapon to exist. Is that asking too much? Perhaps we should see a weapon prior to killing somebody? Otherwise you get stories like this. Where fantasy vs. reality gets somebody killed. The "he could have, would have, should have" is great. But then we have reality. No weapon. Not on him. Not anywhere on the property. He wasn't "going for" anything. Yet he's dead. And he wasn't even somebody doing anything questionable. Just a guy, at his home, minding his own business. | |||
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The caller is obviously guilty of a serious crime. But someone in the police is apparently guily of manslaughter. No way this should happen. "Crom is strong! If I die, I have to go before him, and he will ask me, 'What is the riddle of steel?' If I don't know it, he will cast me out of Valhalla and laugh at me." | |||
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Seeker of Clarity |
I would very much like the world to get some fucking control over spoofed phone numbers. I get peppered with "local looking" calls all the time. My work gets complaints because WE called people with ads when we did not. It's time to upgrade the 1960s SS7 network. I think... If we're going to use this as a basis for rolling hellfire, we better have it be a bit more challenging to spoof a number than it obviously is. This shit bag gamer is no genius technologist. Ut Oh, I got an email that Russia is going to nuke us. Better nuke them first!!! It must be from them, it says Vladimir@wererussiansforreal.ru in the "from:" field.   | |||
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I'm impressed that so many people here know exactly what happened without having any connection to the investigation, especially since the investigation hasn't even been completed yet. "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts." Sherlock Holmes | |||
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| Nullus Anxietas |
And should the FCC move to do this, the telemarketing companies will launch an all-out effort to oppose it. The "government can do no good" crowd will rally behind that effort, choosing to believe the telemarketing industry's fake news over that of people who actually understand how such things work. The bought-and-paid-for politicians will stonewall any legislative effort. Nothing will happen. We just saw it happen with another aspect of telecommunications.
That can be fixed, too. Would you care to take a wild-ass guess at what industry is the biggest roadblock to fixing the email problem? Give you three guesses. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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Glorious SPAM! |
Spoofed phone numbers drive me nuts also, but are there any legitimate uses for them? I can't think of any. | |||
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quarter MOA visionary |
Of course, dead men tell no tales. I never understood why they always have to barge in and rough people up. why not just strategically monitor them and apprehend accordingly (hopefully safely). | |||
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I saw the body cam footage. It appears to be multiple officers, across the street, behind cover, with rifles. The victim came out onto the open front door/porch with no weapon. | |||
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Ammoholic |
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Bad dog! |
Of the various videos of police shootings that I have seen, mostly on this site, that is far and away the worst. Horrible. ______________________________________________________ "You get much farther with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone." | |||
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