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That's pretty freakin sweet! It's gonna cost a few bucks though  | |||
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Frangas non Flectes |
Yes, but also I suspect that any new potential legislative actions by Congress will have to have a carve out for firearms that predate such. How the fuck is anyone going to prove that a privately owned firearm made before such a date wasn't ever in a short barrel configuration otherwise? The numbers of guns that would have to be amnestied is jaw-dropping. There's no other way they could enforce it. If you guys like your 2A wins, I say yet again GET OUT THERE AND BUY SUPPRESSORS, MAKE SBR'S AND SBS'S AND MAKE THE OWNERSHIP NUMBERS OVERWHELMING. This may yet again make it to the Supreme Court, and if it does, the "common usage" argument needs to be something that looks absolutely absurd to try to fight against. You cannot just write laws that make tens of millions of currently law-abiding citizens criminals. If you've ever been wary of doing NFA stuff because it's asking permission and going on a list, then that is now no longer an excuse and you need to exercise your rights, gentlemen. After I'm done with my errands this afternoon, I have a hot date with a bench vise, some hose clamps and a hacksaw, doing spicy shit Vicki Weaver died for. ______________________________________________ "If the truth shall kill them, let them die.” "A man who does not read has no appreciable advantage over a man who cannot read." | |||
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If you keep reading, only FFLs are required to do the 4473. Individuals are not required to notify the ATF of the transfer or making of. These are now just firearms sell away. ———————————————— The world's not perfect, but it's not that bad. If we got each other, and that's all we have. I will be your brother, and I'll hold your hand. You should know I'll be there for you! | |||
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Down the Rabbit Hole |
Thanks Black92LX. That is what I believe to be the case as well. It is mind blowing how far this has come. All these suppressor/SBR/SBS regulations has been ridiculous right from the start but I never thought I would see these changes in my lifetime. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -- George Orwell | |||
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Works to Farm |
How about we just celebrate the win for now! | |||
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Shall Not Be Infringed |
Unfortunately,'the law' has not changed. Only the decision to enforce it has changed in that the Trump DOJ will not enforce for ALL Americans, what was limited to those covered by the injunction in Silencer Shop v ATF. The government will do what ever it wants to do as long as the law remains unchanged or nullified. The tax on NFA firearms could be reinstated at $2000 or even $5000 (simply an inflation adjustment at that number from 1934 to present day) in the future. I'm not saying anyone should NOT avail themselves of the lack of enforcement here, EVERYONE should, but the law remains, and everyone should be aware of that fact. It will not be enforced until there is a Democrat in the White House, and when that happens, it most certainly will be enforced, likely with a vengeance, so vote accordingly! This is only a partial victory, and only temporary...Congress needs to act to either repeal or amend the NFA! ____________________________________________________________ If Some is Good, and More is Better.....then Too Much, is Just Enough !! Trump 47....Making America Great Again! "May Almighty God bless the United States of America" - parabellum 7/26/20 Live Free or Die! | |||
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| Husband, Father, Aggie, all around good guy!  |
Great news to start the weekend! Weekend to do list , braces off, pinned flash hiders off, order short Uzi barrels, ….. | |||
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Oriental Redneck |
Time to make a short drive to Primary Arms to buy some suppressors. Q | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
Posted here as well: https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...935/m/9670068025/p/1 | |||
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| Oriental Redneck |
Thank you! Some people, I swear, just have to rain down on the parade. Q | |||
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| Oriental Redneck |
Ha! Just received an email from PA basically saying, “Come on down and git some!” Q | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
Well, yes and no. This is a massive win, but the fight isn't totally over yet. You can and should do your part by going out and taking as much advantage of this as you can. This needs to become a total sea change in the firearms culture starting right fucking now. Spread the word, gentlemen. This is a massive win, but we need to keep it by making a future reversal of it logistically impossible by virtue of sheer numbers. If it eventually goes to the Supreme Court, it needs to be overwhelmingly "common use." Say it with me now: "Short barrels and suppressors are common use arms and thus unquestionably protected under the second amendment." Celebrate the win by taking advantage of it, and know that if we don't celebrate it as hard as we can, that it will make it easier to take this win away. I have .22 suppressors printing as I type this. ______________________________________________ "If the truth shall kill them, let them die.” "A man who does not read has no appreciable advantage over a man who cannot read." | |||
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| Works to Farm |
I bet you’re fun at parties! | |||
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Yep. Like my maternal grandfather used to say… “Some people would bitch if you hung them with a new rope”. | |||
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Drill Here, Drill Now |
I like the way Otto said it in the Nidal Hasan thread earlier this week Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
FPC Moves to End State NFA Laws After Injunction, ATF Guidance End Federal Registration Requirements for Untaxed Firearms FPC asks 15 state attorneys general to immediately stop enforcing laws tied to the now-enjoined federal NFA registration regime and work toward permanent legislative repeal. WASHINGTON, D.C. (October 9, 2026) — Following the historic end to the NFA’s unconstitutional federal registration scheme for untaxed firearms and suppressors, Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) announced today that lawyers for the organization sent letters to the attorneys general of 15 states that still tie the legality of silencers, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, or other covered arms to compliance with the federal National Firearms Act registration process. FPC is asking those states to immediately stop enforcement while lawmakers repeal the laws for good. The effort follows FPC’s major victory in Silencer Shop/Jensen v. ATF, where the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas held that the federal government could no longer use Congress’s taxing power to sustain the NFA’s making, registration, and transfer requirements for firearms Congress made subject to a $0 tax. The court enjoined enforcement of the challenged provisions as to the plaintiffs and others covered by its judgment. The basic problem was fatal to the government’s regime: Congress eliminated the tax, and with it the constitutional basis the government had relied on for the machinery built to collect that tax. That should have been the end of it. But in 15 states, it wasn’t. Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Washington, and Wisconsin still have laws that tie the legality of some NFA-classified arms to compliance with federal registration requirements. For people covered by the Silencer Shop/Jensen injunction or otherwise able to act without federal enforcement under ATF’s new policies, those laws can still require compliance with a federal process the court has enjoined, leaving them unable to fully benefit from the federal victory without risking violation of state law. “The states that require compliance with this unconstitutional and now-defunct federal scheme should immediately end enforcement and repeal their laws as soon as possible,” said FPC President Brandon Combs. “We certainly hope they will put liberty and their citizens first, and we stand ready and willing to partner with them to protect the rights of their citizens. But no matter what, one way or another, FPC and our Grassroots Army will Fight Forward until people can exercise their rights without fear of arrest or prosecution, full stop.” FPC’s proposal gives the states a direct path forward: make an immediate commitment to non-enforcement so people are protected now, then work through the legislative process toward full repeal of state laws separately regulating these categories of arms. For this critically-important effort, FPC retained Holtzman Vogel partner David P. Johnson to lead the attorney-general outreach. Johnson, who focuses on state-attorney-general matters and litigation, was previously the Policy Director and General Counsel to the Republican Attorneys General Association and worked closely with Republican attorneys general and their offices to advance policy priorities. “This effort to secure an immediate commitment to non-enforcement is a common-sense way to protect people while these laws work through the legislative process toward what should be their full repeal. We truly hope this reasonable request will be met with consideration for the People and the rights at stake so that we will not need to litigate. As long as these states are taking meaningful steps to address this issue, we will gladly work with them as partners to address these legal issues. But our responsibility is to protect the People and their rights, and we will do what is necessary to fulfill it,” said attorney and FPC Action Foundation President Cody J. Wisniewski. The Federal Fight Is Not Over Also today, following the federal injunction, ATF announced an important nationwide change in its enforcement position. As a matter of enforcement discretion, ATF will no longer enforce many of the NFA’s making, registration, transfer, possession, and related restrictions for short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, silencers, and other covered $0-tax arms—even against people who are not covered by the Silencer Shop/Jensen injunction. In its guidance, ATF also expressly acknowledged the state-law problem, noting that state laws may continue to require federal compliance or registration even where federal enforcement has ceased. Notably, ATF’s nationwide policy rests on executive enforcement discretion. ATF itself warns that enforcement could resume if circumstances change—including if the Department rescinds the policy, the injunction is overturned or dissolved, or Congress imposes a new tax. Its guidance further states that federal law does not automatically grandfather unregistered arms if enforcement later resumes. That is why FPC is not leaving the People’s liberty dependent on the discretion of a future administration. Instead, FPC is continuing multiple federal efforts—including Brown v. ATF, which FPC is a party to, and the FPC-backed Roberts v. ATF—to secure durable, nationwide relief from the NFA’s remaining unconstitutional restrictions. Brown and Roberts challenge the NFA under both Congress’s enumerated powers and the Second Amendment. One Fight. Three Fronts. FPC’s strategy is straightforward: end the federal regime, eliminate state laws that depend on it, and directly attack state bans on constitutionally protected arms wherever they exist. At the federal level, FPC is pressing forward toward durable nationwide relief. At the state level, today’s 15-state initiative attacks laws that still tether the People to the federal NFA registration system. And where states independently ban the arms themselves, FPC is attacking those prohibitions head-on. That includes cases like FPC v. Davenport, FPC’s challenge to New Jersey’s ban on short-barreled rifles. The case builds on FPC’s en banc Third Circuit victory in Cheeseman v. Davenport, where the court held New Jersey’s semiautomatic-rifle ban unconstitutional—a decision FPC says also materially strengthens its SBR challenge. FPC’s Viramontes v. Cook County case is now before the United States Supreme Court, where FPC is challenging a ban on so-called “assault weapons.” Oral argument in the landmark Second Amendment “hardware” case is set for December 2, 2026. “Jensen is not a one-off lawsuit—it is one part of a broader strategic plan,” Combs said. “That plan has already killed federal NFA registration for these untaxed arms. We are fighting to make that victory permanent and nationwide, and now we are working to eliminate the state laws that try to keep those restrictions alive. At the same time, our arms-ban cases are attacking the bans themselves. FPC and our Grassroots Army will Fight Forward until all of these unconstitutional and immoral restrictions are eliminated throughout the United States.” FPC thanks its Grassroots Army members and supporters for making this important work possible. Individuals who want to join FPC and support its lawsuits and other programs to restore liberty can join the FPC Grassroots Army at JoinFPC.org. [Representative text of the letter sent by Holtzman Vogel attorneys David Johnson and Daniel Bruce is below:] Dear [Attorney General]: We write on behalf of our client, Firearms Policy Coalition (“FPC”), regarding recent federal court developments with significant and immediate implications for firearms law in your State. In Silencer Shop Foundation v. ATF, No. 6:26-CV-056 (N.D. Tex. Aug. 5, 2026) (consolidated with the FPC-backed Jensen v. ATF, No. 6:26-CV-227), the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas held that various provisions of the National Firearms Act (“NFA”) are unconstitutional because they no longer comport with Congress’s taxing power. This decision has created an urgent legal question for law-abiding firearms owners, firearms manufacturers, and law enforcement officials and legal officers in states, including yours, with laws that condition the legality of certain firearms on compliance with the NFA: Must state residents still comply with unconstitutional, enjoined federal regulations to exercise their right to keep and bear the arms under state law? In order to protect your citizens’ rights, we respectfully request your Office’s attention and offer FPC’s partnership in crafting a prompt resolution. Background The NFA, enacted in 1934, imposed a tax on the transfer and making of certain regulated firearms—including silencers, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, and “any other weapons.” To facilitate collection of this tax, Congress erected a regulatory framework requiring registration in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, submission of applications with fingerprints and photographs, local law enforcement notification, and prior ATF approval. See 26 U.S.C. §§ 5812(a)–(b), 5822, 5841(a)–(c), (e), 5842(b), 5861(b)–(f), (i); 27 C.F.R. §§ 479.62(a)–(d), 479.84(a)–(d). On July 4, 2025, Congress enacted the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, Pub. L. 119-21, 139 Stat. 72 (2025), which, effective January 1, 2026, reduced the federal transfer and making taxes to $0 for silencers, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, and “any other weapons.” Critically, Congress left the NFA’s entire regulatory apparatus—registration, application, approval, and recordkeeping—fully intact despite eliminating the revenue. On August 5, 2026, the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas held that the challenged NFA regulatory provisions are unconstitutional. Because a $0 tax raises no revenue—the “essential feature of any tax”––the regulatory provisions can no longer be sustained under Congress’s taxing power, the sole constitutional basis on which the NFA was enacted. The court entered a party-specific injunction barring the ATF and DOJ from enforcing the challenged provisions (26 U.S.C. §§ 5812(a)–(b), 5822, 5841(a)–(c), (e), 5842(b), 5861(b)–(f), (i); 27 C.F.R. §§ 479.62(a)–(d), 479.84(a)–(d)) against untaxed firearms held by the plaintiffs. Additional challenges are progressing in other circuits. See, e.g., the FPC-backed cases of Brown v. ATF, No. 4:25-CV-1162 (E.D. Mo.) and Roberts v. ATF, No. 2:24-CV-091 (E.D. Ky.). The Problem This creates a problem for many states, such as yours, that have enacted firearms statutes that condition the lawful possession, transfer, and/or making of NFA-regulated items on compliance with the federal NFA registration requirements. These provisions make it lawful for a person to possess NFA-regulated items only if that person has complied with the NFA’s registration, application, and approval requirements. The Silencer Shop Foundation/Jensen decision has fundamentally disrupted this framework. The federal government is prohibited from enforcing the NFA’s registration, application, and approval requirements as to the covered plaintiffs. And the court held that those provisions are facially unconstitutional. Yet your State’s law still requires compliance with those facially unconstitutional federal procedures as a prerequisite to lawful possession under State law. The Department of Justice recently notified Congress that it does not intend to appeal the decision. Letter from D. John Sauer, Solicitor General, to Sen. Charles Grassley, Chairman, Sen. J. Comm. (Sept. 24, 2026), Silencer Shop Foundation, No. 6:26-CV-056 (ECF No. 145-1). And the trend of litigation nationally suggests other challenges, see Brown, No. 4:25-CV-1162; Roberts, No. 2:24-CV-091, will reach the same or a substantially similar result. Accordingly, this issue is likely to persist until state legislatures act. The result is an untenable legal limbo. Through no fault of their own, law-abiding citizens face state criminal exposure for possessing items they have a constitutionally protected right to possess and that the federal government is barred from regulating under the current statutory framework. Such uncertainty will chill law-abiding citizens’ rights to keep and bear arms. And worse, it will also inevitably lead to confusion for state and local law enforcement officials who must determine whether to enforce state laws that incorporate unconstitutional federal registration, application, and approval requirements. This would not only put peaceable people at risk, but it would also inevitably lead to the expense of litigating challenges to your State’s laws in civil and criminal cases. Thus, FPC encourages your Office to take action now to begin addressing this critical issue. Proposed Solutions FPC respectfully proposes the following two urgent, prioritized solutions to protect citizens’ constitutionally protected rights, liberty, and property: 1. Immediate Non-Enforcement Guidance. We request that your Office immediately cease enforcement of applicable State laws and issue a formal statement, opinion, or memorandum to State and local law enforcement and prosecutors directing them to not enforce your State’s NFA-tethered provisions for possession, making, or transfer of untaxed NFA items—silencers, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, and “any other weapons”—without federal registration and approval under the unconstitutional provisions. Such guidance would safeguard citizens’ constitutionally protected rights, provide clarity for law enforcement, avoid the expenditure of State resources on prosecutions premised on State laws tied to unconstitutional federal requirements, reduce your State’s legal exposure, and serve as a prudent interim measure while the State legislature acts. 2. Permanent Legislative Fix. We further urge your Office to develop an appropriate legislative proposal and work with your State’s Legislature to permanently untether lawful acquisition, possession, use, and disposition of affected arms from the unconstitutional, enjoined federal registration requirements. A full repeal of such State requirements is encouraged to show your State’s commitment to its citizens’ constitutionally protected rights. * * * FPC and its counsel stand ready to serve as resources and partners to your Office to address this issue, including analyzing the impact of the unconstitutionality of the NFA’s provisions on your State’s firearms law and providing model statutory language for permanent legislative solutions. Thank you for your time and consideration. We look forward to your response and to working together in service of the people of your State. Respectfully, /s/ David Johnson /s/ Daniel Bruce | |||
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I just got an e-mail from my supplier that I can now order silencers, SBR's, etc... without a SOT! I can now buy at dealer cost!! ATF Guidance on NFA Product Transfers We are pleased to announce that following guidance issued by ATF, RSR Group will begin processing orders immediately for NFA products without requiring registration and ATF approval prior to shipment to states where registration is not required, and there are no additional restrictions. For states that have independent NFA registration requirements, RSR will continue to submit requests to ATF for approval, and orders will ship as soon as the Form 3 approval is received. If you have any questions regarding how these changes may impact your purchases, please contact your service professional. We appreciate your business! Owner, TonyBen, LLC, Type-07 FFL www.tonybenm14.com (Site under construction). e-mail: tonyben@tonybenm14.com | |||
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| Works to Farm |
Nice! | |||
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Sigforum K9 handler |
About 5 hours ago, my LGS went from “never gonna happen” to 4473 only. ________________ People hate you. Train like it. | |||
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| Frangas non Flectes |
Of all the people to fling that derp at, you can miss me with it.  Two posts later, Para's posting about the next stages of the fight, which is what I'm mostly focused on here. Have your party, guys. Just make sure you're celebrating by buying some fucking suppressors already. 
Gonna be a lot of that going around. Honestly, that's for the best. Let's go! ______________________________________________ "If the truth shall kill them, let them die.” "A man who does not read has no appreciable advantage over a man who cannot read." | |||
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