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Originally posted by egregore:

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Apparently, Gloria Allred is representing one of the accusers

Funny how she keeps turning up, isn't it.

Nothing will fire up the base in Alabama like Gloria Allred attacking Moore.

I wonder if Moore's campaign is paying her retainer??

What I heard is that Allred has a new accuser.

I guess they will trot out one or two every few days until some of it sticks.

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Originally posted by radioman:

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Originally posted by jhe888:
This is the same Roy Moore who as a judge decided he wasn't enforcing a law he disagreed with, right? I thought we liked judges to enforce all of the laws, not just the ones that they agree with.

You know, judicial activism, legislating from the bench - all that stuff.

There are plenty of reasons to think he is a poor choice for the Senate. Whoever said it above is right. Moore is a kook.

What law did he not like? Maybe he didn't like it because it wasn't in line with the constitution, in which case it would be called "doing his job." But without more details (Moore details ), it's hard to judge whether it was judicial activism or not.

Google will reveal all to you. He openly defied the United States Supreme Court on a constitutional ruling. Even if he thinks he is right, and they are wrong, that is judicial activism. Even if you think he is right and the Supremes are wrong, it is judicial activism. No two ways about it.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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While Moore is unquestionably a judicial activist, his brand of activism is no doubt popular in those parts (he doesn't like "the gays" and thinks they shouldn't be able to marry, which can't be a rare opinion in the otherwise fine state of Alabama),

Does anyone else see an argument for federalism here?
The answers to difficult social issues should be decided by the people of the several States, not imposed by our masters in Washington, DC.

The Constitution of the United States does not define marriage, or when life begins.

The people of Alabama and the people of 'liberal' states like New York and California may see these issues quite differently.
Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

All true, but if the Supremes weigh in, they have made the law and lower ranking courts should follow it.

I agree that questions like those are not addressed by the constitution. Legislators, and state legislators in particular, should be making those decisions.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

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Originally posted by egregore:

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Apparently, Gloria Allred is representing one of the accusers

Funny how she keeps turning up, isn't it.

Nothing will fire up the base in Alabama like Gloria Allred attacking Moore.

I wonder if Moore's campaign is paying her retainer??

Allred is an opportunist. She keeps turning up because she is like a fly drawn to shit. She inserts herself into these situations.

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Originally posted by jhe888:
Allred is an opportunist. She keeps turning up because she is like a fly drawn to shit. She inserts herself into these situations.

Shit and dollar signs...Like a moth to a flame!

Having a yankee, condescending, preachy, harpy attacking Moore will not hurt him in Alabama. That much we know!

If there's ten people in Alabama who are impressed by Gloria it's because tourists are in town from out of state for a game and have bumped the number up from one or two.

Who cares about Allred. What would concern me if I were an Alabama voter is the number of women, and independent witnesses that are saying that Moore is a pedophile horn dog.

Me, I believe the women. He should withdraw his candidacy and crawl back under the porch.

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Originally posted by Dresden:
Who cares about Allred. What would concern me if I were an Alabama voter is the number of women, and independent witnesses that are saying that Moore is a pedophile horn dog.

Me, I believe the women. He should withdraw his candidacy and crawl back under the porch.

He can't, ballots have already been printed and absentee ballots have already gone out, so his name will be on the ballot.

So you either want Schumer to control the Senate or you want the republicans. Can't have it both ways. A write in vote or a vote for the dem is a vote for Schumer, Fauxcahontas and the rest of the dem clan.

I don't know a lot about Mr. Moore, however this latest woman appears to be credible to me. She has what the other accusers do not, dated handwritten evidence that they did indeed meet. And I would add how many 30 something year old men would write not just that, but anything in a 16 year old strangers yearbook. I don't think he will survive this latest one. I hope the Republicans don't loose this now and get a good write in candidate.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

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Originally posted by Dresden:
Who cares about Allred. What would concern me if I were an Alabama voter is the number of women, and independent witnesses that are saying that Moore is a pedophile horn dog.

Me, I believe the women. He should withdraw his candidacy and crawl back under the porch.

He can't, ballots have already been printed and absentee ballots have already gone out, so his name will be on the ballot.

So you either want Schumer to control the Senate or you want the republicans. Can't have it both ways. A write in vote or a vote for the dem is a vote for Schumer, Fauxcahontas and the rest of the dem clan.

Hobson's choice, but the Senate should not include a child molester like this guy. Decent people draw the line, and don't allow the end to justify the means.

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Originally posted by Dresden:
Hobson's choice, but the Senate should not include a child molester like this guy.

Do you have proof, beyond the claims of a liberal rag that paid people to make accusations weeks before an election, that he is a child molester?

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the Senate should not include a child molester

Doesn't the law define what that is? Out of curiosity, what is the age of consent in his state?

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Originally posted by Dresden:

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

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Originally posted by Dresden:
Who cares about Allred. What would concern me if I were an Alabama voter is the number of women, and independent witnesses that are saying that Moore is a pedophile horn dog.

Me, I believe the women. He should withdraw his candidacy and crawl back under the porch.

He can't, ballots have already been printed and absentee ballots have already gone out, so his name will be on the ballot.

So you either want Schumer to control the Senate or you want the republicans. Can't have it both ways. A write in vote or a vote for the dem is a vote for Schumer, Fauxcahontas and the rest of the dem clan.

Hobson's choice, but the Senate should not include a child molester like this guy. Decent people draw the line, and don't allow the end to justify the means.

Nothing in the statements so far give any genuine veracity to one side or the other.

We’ve never had evil, abusive men in the US Senate before, have we?

The next few Supreme Court Justices may be on the line.

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Originally posted by Dresden:

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

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Originally posted by Dresden:
Who cares about Allred. What would concern me if I were an Alabama voter is the number of women, and independent witnesses that are saying that Moore is a pedophile horn dog.

Me, I believe the women. He should withdraw his candidacy and crawl back under the porch.

He can't, ballots have already been printed and absentee ballots have already gone out, so his name will be on the ballot.

So you either want Schumer to control the Senate or you want the republicans. Can't have it both ways. A write in vote or a vote for the dem is a vote for Schumer, Fauxcahontas and the rest of the dem clan.

Hobson's choice, but the Senate should not include a child molester like this guy. Decent people draw the line, and don't allow the end to justify the means.

Oh my God, man.

I know nothing of the legitimacy of this source, but AL.com has this story tonight, including claims Moore was banned from an Alabama mall in the 80s for chasing teens:

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Hardly iron clad evidence, but it certainly doesn't sound good and is fucked up if true.

How reputable is AL.com?

I believe, like most others from Alabama, people will remember the age of consent is 16 years old and a gentleman gets the parents' permission before the date (as Moore is accused of doing). And in the late 70s a well to do gentleman was a great option for a mother's daughter.

Oh and the girl who, in 1978, couldn't wait for her boyfriend and decided to jump into an older man's car, a car which couldn't have had the child-proof locks she described for at least another 6 to 7 years; I call bullshit.

Would 16 yo girls in 1978 know what they were supposed to do if they found their head in a man’s crotch?

A great many girls in their teens are well acquainted with sex, with ample appetites for it, from debutantes to nerds to trailer trash to preacher's daughters and everything in between. And a great many of them have sex with their peers at those ages, back then, and now, and at all points in between.

That's one thing, a very normal thing even, though I understand some don't approve.

But a grown-ass man (say, anyone beyond just a few years older at the absolute most) has zero business messing with girls that age, and that's another thing entirely, and IF Moore is guilty of that, he has or had serious problems and deserves zero place in our government.

The timing of this both stinks of bullshit (obviously, but that doesn't mean it's definitely NOT true) and sucks if it's true, leaving hardly no time to sort it out. If he's innocent of this, as much as I otherwise despise his kooky ass, it's better off if he's elected. But if he's guilty of chasing teen girls as an adult, he cannot be allowed to serve, at the very least.

I know nothing about this, other than accusations have been made about something that happened 30 or 40 years ago.

The fact that this comes out so close to an election and had not previously seen the light of day tells me it is purely political.