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| The Ice Cream Man |
There’s existing cases which permit a state to ban abortion after a point where the fetus could survive. The Court recognized that this would be a sliding standard as medical treatment advances. | |||
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Jay Sekulow was talking on his show a couple of weeks ago about how the Libtarded states are preparing for the overturn of R v W. They're actually passing legislation now to legalize abortion and it's gonna be more brutal, heinous, barbaric, evil, and wicked than we EVER could have imagined. There will certainly be a special place in hell for these motherf****rs.  "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
That would be one hell of a gamble for whoever leaked the draft opinion, but, IMHO, the political impact of this could play out that way. In a sense the actual decision (if it matches Alito's opinion from last February) could wind up being a bit anticlimactic, or at least not be quite as much of a bombshell. I still think that would be one hell of a gamble, though. | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
This has nothing at all to do with religion. Or even abortion, per se. Or "murdering babies" or "a woman's right to choose," either. This is about a SCOTUS decision that didn't even pass muster under the legal concept of penumbra, but was predicated on Constitutional Law made out of whole cloth. Btw: I'm not part of a "religious cult." I'm an agnostic. And I'm pro-choice. Apparently you're every bit as clueless about how our government works as you are about the Roe v. Wade decision. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
No, no, no. The Supremes don't much care what anyone thinks of what they do, not in that sense. They are appointed for life, and are acutely aware of their own, untouchable power. They really are beholden to no one once appointed and confirmed. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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Fourth line skater |
If it turns out a Justice did this they need to be impeached and removed. I know easier said then done I'm sure. But, said Justice should be persona non grata for the remainder of their term. If I were a member I wouldn't confer, talk to, this Justice about anything. Not even the time of day. I would not allow this Justice in my office or any of their staff. I would tell my staffers if you get caught talking to anyone from that Justice's office you'll be fired no questions asked. This is just such an elemental violation of process and trust. _________________________ OH, Bonnie McMurray! | |||
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Hard to say what kind of effect this will have other betrayal from within and seeing the neurotic and perpetually aggrieved get fired-up to dominate the news cycle. Mid-terms are coming up, while not terribly pivotal in the grand scheme of things, the Left and the Dems will trot-out the same well worn talking-points about rights and demands while completely ignoring that each state is a semi-autonomous entity. It took me nearly an hour explaining to my 11-year old niece what the difference between countries that are referred to as states and the states within the United States. Predictably, all this emotional winding-up will target the fence sitters, specifically, 1st generation immigrants who are just trying to make-it and get by, and more importantly the middle-class, suburban women. Both groups are generally not very interested in politics but, took great interest in DJT because of some bad Tweets, sounds bites out of context and a persistent narrative from news and entertainment. | |||
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quarter MOA visionary |
Perfectly said Para. Never understood why this is a left vs right issue? | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine |
This is my view, too. The Constitution says nothing about abortion (and if you think it prohibits abortion, you are just as wrong), and it should be left to the states. Americans forget that this is a federal system with most of the power reserved to the states. However, if this is really the Court's opinion, then I have to eat my hat, because I thought that the Court would not reverse Roe after 50 years, no matter how wrong it was. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| Fourth line skater |
I agree with the above posts. Abortion is an extra Constitutional issue, and therefore, decided by the States. _________________________ OH, Bonnie McMurray! | |||
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| Ignored facts still exist |
I'm not sure why the court would have secrets which could be "leaked" to begin with. Why aren't they on C-Span where everyone can see their thought process? It's not like they hold military secrets or something. In general, they are not protecting a specific named victim or witness. . | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine |
Nothing like articulate debate is there? You can do better, and you should make a better argument. This will, I think stir up a large contingent of middle of the spectrum voters who do support abortion rights. Many of these are suburban women. (Admittedly, there is another large group that is anti abortion, but they probably tend more to the right, already.) Elections can be swung by 2 or 3% of voters. This could activate that many voters. It could well be important in the midterm election. It won't matter in Alabama. And it won't matter in Massachusetts. But it could matter in Pennsylvania, for an example. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine |
That comment has nothing to do with France's position on abortion, but with France's habits of public protest over politics. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| Internet Guru |
I don't think abortion is as potent a voting issue as the left believes. Don't get me wrong, the crazies will be in a lather, but the independents that decide elections are probably not radical abortion advocates. Of course, the broken media has months to pretend the sky is falling and women are literally being enslaved and forced to procreate. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine |
You do like to throw hand grenades loaded with your own personal views and without real evidence or rationale, don't you? The one thing you would agree with is that Roberts is very concerned about the Court's position and reputation in American society and this would undermine that. Why would he do it? The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine |
Anyone who would betray the Court would betray a law firm or its clients, so I think they would be generally untouchable. For good reason. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| Freethinker |
Obviously. And that was obviously the reason for the leak. It might not have any effect on the final Supreme Court ruling, but the longer in advance of the election that such a ruling is known, the more effect it could have on voter turnout. And if it does affect the outcome of the elections, it will be interesting to see how that in turn affects legislation pertaining to abortions and therefore the abortion rates. As someone pointed out, elections have consequences. “I can’t give you brains, but I can give you a diploma.” — The Wizard of Oz This life is a drill. It is only a drill. If it had been a real life, you would have been given instructions about where to go and what to do. | |||
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Fire begets Fire |
I’ll wager this doesn’t work out the way the Dimmerwits calculated… just like thinking all these illegals will vote for stroked out marxists. "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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His Royal Hiney |
Speaking from a science perspective, it's called the Observer Effect. Just the effect of observing something, whatever that something is, affects the thing being observed even if the thing being observed is unaware that it is being observed. Until the decision is officially published, it's premature to leak any part of the process. It's not the final product. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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Irksome Whirling Dervish |
This morning Justice Roberts confirmed the draft is authentic but that it isn't the final product. As I understand the process, the court circulates drafts to see who agrees with what before a final opinion comes out and my guess is that the leaked document is such a draft. The far bigger problem is the ultra small circle of SCOTUS justices, clerks and staff and who leaked. The damage is irreversible and will taint the court as an institution for years. | |||
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