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Unflappable Enginerd |
In the US House, as it's currently structured? That would have to fall to the next session(fingers crossed) to stand a chance... __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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I’m sorry to say but I believe that this is a disastrous decision of true and the timing couldn’t be worse. I’ve always believed, strongly so, that abortion is a states rights issue, no different than rape or murder. Having said that, not matter how much I disagree with abortion I believe that this could act as a lightning rod which could keep the dems in power in the midterms when the midterms should have been a GOP landslide. I’m sorry but unless SCOTUS also invalidates the NFA, or at least invalidates the 1986 machine gun ban and makes it clear that things like assault weapon bans are unconstitutional, I really have concerns about the consequences of such a decision. I’m not trying to be a Debbie Downer or Chciken Little, but I do believe that a decision to overturn Roe vs. Wade right now, despite how legally correct such a a decision might be, might have horrible election and legislative implications. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/16...s-impeach/index.html Because justices receive lifetime appointments, removing one is harder than just calling up someone and firing them. In order to remove one, you have to impeach them. The process is the same as impeaching the president of the United States. The House of Representatives would vote on whether to impeach the justice in question. If the justice is impeached, there would be a Senate trial. The House needs only a simple majority to impeach a Supreme Court justice or any federal judge. To convict and then remove the justice or judge, the Senate requires a two-thirds majority. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I can't believe the DEMs would allow a leftist SC judge to be removed. DEMs don't think "right or wrong"; they think "does it advance the progressive agenda" and does it keep Democrats in power and control. | |||
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| Unflappable Enginerd |
Aaand they're already lining up outside the supreme court.  __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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Better Than I Deserve! |
This exactly. While I firmly agree with this decision, I feel this is terrible timing and will have the disastrous consequence of firing up the left and moving the conversation away from the democrats destruction of this country. This puts the mid terms in jeopardy. ____________________________ NRA Benefactor Life Member GOA Life Member Arizona Citizens Defense League Life Member | |||
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Whoever leaked this decision, be it a law clerk or secretary, has violated the fundamental principles of our highest court. This is an insurrection and an attack on our system of justice. | |||
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| Raised Hands Surround Us Three Nails To Protect Us  |
I am not sure it is to sway the action of the Justices. I think it is to start the actions of those hell bent on killing babies to take “progressive”action sooner rather than later. These people are nuts and has been noted barricades are already going up and the crazies are descending upon the Supreme Court. Crazy ass fella just lit himself on fire over climate change. Imagine what these folks are going to do now that it appears Roe vs Wade is to be overturned. ———————————————— The world's not perfect, but it's not that bad. If we got each other, and that's all we have. I will be your brother, and I'll hold your hand. You should know I'll be there for you! | |||
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protesters are on both sides of the issue video https://www.breitbart.com/poli...rturning-roe-v-wade/ Watch Live: Outside SCOTUS as Nation Learns of Alleged Draft Ruling Overturning Roe v. Wade | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Oh for the love of God. So when the hell is it the right time to protect the life of an innocent human being? And furthermore, I'm tired of hearing about how this just makes it a state's right issue. Would the federal government stand by if a certain state made murder legal? Abortion is leagues more atrocious and evil as slavery, and frankly, it deserves the same fate in this country. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan "Once there was only dark. If you ask me, light is winning." ~Rust Cohle | |||
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As long as I can remember abortion has been a devisive issue. The leak makes no difference. I dread the talking heads and the endless analysis and hand wringing. I would imagine that Twitter is blowing up as well. I think Para once said that a thread on abortion is likely to bring more controversy than any other topic. | |||
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You may be right, but if you are there will never be a good time to overturn Roe. Lose a majority, or the chance at capturing one, it’s the same result either way. What this proves is the folly of the Court taking on political power - it creates problems when it’s taken, when it’s used (or not), and apparently when it’s surrendered. Chief Justice Roberts cares very much about the court’s prestige, which he absolutely should, and I expect he will be on the war path about this leak (assuming it was one - any decent lawyer could write the piece at issue). I fully expect the other justices will join him because it was the institution that was the target and that won’t sit well. | |||
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The courts have already allowed restrictions on abortions. Some states already have fairly restrictive abortion laws. Forgive me for using a very overused cliche "at the end of the day." But at the end of the day, I don't think this is going to change much. As we all know, this returns the issue to the states. (Assuming the reporting is accurate) after the decision comes down, in my state, New Jersey, you'll be able perform an abortion on any female at just about any time. In other states, it's going to be very difficult to get an abortion. Not that much different than now. I've always believed the issue belongs with the states. | |||
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Told cops where to go for over 29 years… |
As much as some want to make abortion a Democrat/Republican thing, it is only the far left that believe there should be no restrictions. Nationally, last I heard it was over 70% of folks who accept that there should be limitations. Like so many things, the devil is in the details. The far left in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1… What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand???  | |||
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Fourth line skater |
Yes, this could serve as a huge energizing event for the left. All bets could be off for any midterm gains. _________________________ OH, Bonnie McMurray! | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
^^^Horseshit. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan "Once there was only dark. If you ask me, light is winning." ~Rust Cohle | |||
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A Grateful American |
What if a justice is actually Q? Or What if a justice is actually "the one pulling the strings" of the PuppetOTUS ?  "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Really guys? The court doesn't get to just put this one on the back burner for next year. The case is before them now. I wonder if this same reasoning is what led to decisions like Dredd Scott v. Sanford. Yep, let's have the court get all political and start making decisions based on the politics of the country. Last time, it didn't prevent the war that came four years later. Like has already been said in this thread, there would never be a good time to address Roe from a political point of view. Better just pull the band-aid off quickly and get it over with now. Besides, the sooner is the better time. Babies (people) are dying in the meantime. How many more are required? Politics be damned. Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to happen as they do happen, and you will go on well. -Epictetus | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
We'll see about the effect on the midterms - there aren't any Supreme Court Justices on the ballot, so none of them can be voted out of office, and the Dems have been waving the abortion flag as hard as they can for some decades now. I wouldn't be horribly surprised if a lot of the noise this generates among the general public (rather than political junkies and "activists") hasn't largely faded away by November. | |||
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Early prediction...no justice did this. As much as I dislike the socialist justices, they understand what this does to the court, and as such, wouldn't do it. Likely a wingnut clerk for one of the socialist justices did this and should be fired and disbarred for this behavior. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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| Team Apathy |
As an alternative view, perhaps this: It was leaked by a more conservative leaning person hoping to increase the time between “breaking news” and the election. Maybe the thought was “it’s gonna fire up the dang lefties, so let’s fire them up in May instead of August and hope that they move on and forget, as Americans are apt to do” I dunno, just a thought. But hopefully the leaked count is accurate. | |||
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