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Originally posted by thumperfbc:


As an alternative view, perhaps this:

It was leaked by a more conservative leaning person hoping to increase the time between “breaking news” and the election. Maybe the thought was “it’s gonna fire up the dang lefties, so let’s fire them up in May instead of August and hope that they move on and forget, as Americans are apt to do”

I dunno, just a thought. But hopefully the leaked count is accurate.

Not a chance.

Seriously, does everyone understand just how unprecedented this is? This leak.

I didn’t know there was a case in front of the court challenging the legality of Roe v Wade as a whole.

A sitting court cannot just over turn a decision because they want to. They only decide cases and challenges before them.

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Originally posted by goose5:

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Originally posted by Lt CHEG:
I’m sorry to say but I believe that this is a disastrous decision of true and the timing couldn’t be worse. I’ve always believed, strongly so, that abortion is a states rights issue, no different than rape or murder. Having said that, not matter how much I disagree with abortion I believe that this could act as a lightning rod which could keep the dems in power in the midterms when the midterms should have been a GOP landslide. I’m sorry but unless SCOTUS also invalidates the NFA, or at least invalidates the 1986 machine gun ban and makes it clear that things like assault weapon bans are unconstitutional, I really have concerns about the consequences of such a decision. I’m not trying to be a Debbie Downer or Chciken Little, but I do believe that a decision to overturn Roe vs. Wade right now, despite how legally correct such a a decision might be, might have horrible election and legislative implications.

Yes, this could serve as a huge energizing event for the left. All bets could be off for any midterm gains.

Ya'll apparently don't think there's much else going on in the country right now. The far left alone is not going to win anything by themselves no matter how fired up they may be over this issue. There are huge majorities of this country hurting badly right now and fearing for their future and that of their children, so my doubt is these folks aren't going to the polls in November to vote over this issue.

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
I didn’t know there was a case in front of the court challenging the legality of Roe v Wade as a whole.

A sitting court cannot just over turn a decision because they want to. They only decide cases and challenges before them.

“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”

Uhhh, it kinda sounds like they're gonna overturn it...

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
I didn’t know there was a case in front of the court challenging the legality of Roe v Wade as a whole.

A sitting court cannot just over turn a decision because they want to. They only decide cases and challenges before them.

You just made my jaw drop to the floor. Don't know how you missed that.

Case before the court is Mississippi’s 13 week ban. The court may side with state and may have an opinion about overturning the RvW.

It would be akin to The Heller case being overturned because CA makes a law stating unlocked firearms must be field stripped when not in actual use to defend oneself but SCOTUS rules that requirement is legal.

And note that in Heller the opinion included allowing ownership of the same firearms which police use (paraphrased). But, look at how many states still restrict magazine capacity or worse on an AR.

By the way, from the OP:

"Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
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"Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change."

This draft was leaked to rile up the troops and essentially put out the message "riot now while there's still time."

Nothing in the world will create a full time activist and serious political opponent out of me faster than insane religious folks fucking with everyone else's business.

I will in fact spend the rest of my waking life making the religious factions responsible for it pay for the decision (politically, legally, non-violently...).

Had a chat and job offer with a related consulting firm last week, in preparation. It's something I've been putting off, not wanting to commit unless truly necessary.

Because this is exactly how you lose a lifelong Republican voter and supporter...

It may be the most costly political decision in history, in the years to come.

But make no mistake, I'll gleefully help the Left usher in France 2.0 here in this country in a dozen different ways before living under the thumb of a religious cult.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I urge to call your Congresscritters and all but beg they try to stop any such efforts in the Court to overturn this; don't dare stir this pot...

America as ws all know it cannot afford such fanatical tomfoolery.

Time to get to work, I guess. I had hoped to stay on the sidelines, personally.

This I say with a reluctant and heavy heart, but don't ever doubt it for a second.

This is nothing but distraction.

Anyone giving it anymore weight than that, is a fool.

Has absolutely nothing at all to do with religion.

And France? Educate yourself. France is currently way more restrictive in regards to abortion than the US as a whole. Way more so. They have a ban on abortions after 12 weeks. Didn't know that, did ya'? And after that there are legal penalties for the woman. Religious cult...ridiculous.

And call your congressman to stop the court from overturning an unconstitutional ruling? What are you going on about? Congress has no authority over the court. For chrissakes, what we want is precisely for the Congress, our elected representatives, to be the ones to have a say in this matter where right now they currently don't. My goodness, man. Figure it out. Fanatical tomfoolery? For being opposed to the killing of babies? Unreal.

Imagine dedicating your life to protecting the practice of slaughtering babies, which is what you said you are now going to do. There's a word for that.

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Because this is exactly how you lose a lifelong Republican voter and supporter...

Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
Nothing in the world will create a full time activist and serious political opponent out of me faster than insane religious folks fucking with everyone else's business.

I will in fact spend the rest of my waking life making the religious factions responsible for it pay for the decision (politically, legally, non-violently...).

Had a chat and job offer with a related consulting firm last week, in preparation. It's something I've been putting off, not wanting to commit unless truly necessary.

Because this is exactly how you lose a lifelong Republican voter and supporter...

It may be the most costly political decision in history, in the years to come.

But make no mistake, I'll gleefully help the Left usher in France 2.0 here in this country in a dozen different ways before living under the thumb of a religious cult.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I urge to call your Congresscritters and all but beg they try to stop any such efforts in the Court to overturn this; don't dare stir this pot...

America as ws all know it cannot afford such fanatical tomfoolery.

Time to get to work, I guess. I had hoped to stay on the sidelines, personally.

This I say with a reluctant and heavy heart, but don't ever doubt it for a second.

Get a grip man. If ROE goes down, and I'm not totally convinced just yet it will, it won't be because of religion. The SCOTUS decision passing this BS was one of, if not the worst, piece of jurisprudence in the history of the high court. There was never any basis on which ROE could and should have been affirmed by the high court. Striking it down simply removes a previous blight on the court and returns responsibility for the issue to where it should have always been (i.e. the states).

46and2 is known for his tirade again religious groups, but what the hell does roe v. wade potentially overturned have anything to do with religion? Man, talk about "fanatical".

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Originally posted by 46and2:...
But make no mistake, I'll gleefully help the Left usher in France 2.0 here in this country in a dozen different ways before living under the thumb of a religious cult....

"Fill your hand, you son of a bitch!"

Get on with it. Don't make empty threats.

Pick your side and put on the colors.

Or find a bench, and sit it out.

You weary me.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
This is nothing but distraction.

Anyone giving it anymore weight than that, is a fool.

Precisely this!!!

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Originally posted by 46and2:
Nothing in the world will create a full time activist and serious political opponent out of me faster than insane religious folks fucking with everyone else's business.

Religion has nothing to do with it. This is a fundamental moral issue, exclusive of religious beliefs. You speak of cults. If there is any cult involved with this issue, it's the Death Cult of the political left, which is perpetually fearful that their ability to use murder as a form of contraception will be taken from them.

“Time to get to work, I guess. I had hoped to stay on the sidelines, personally.”

Yeah, because there aren’t enough people advocating for the killing of unborn children. You do realize that these are lives being taken, right? Or do you think they are “just blobs” or perhaps “bunches of cells”? Look at your children if you have them and try and think that. Or maybe a mirror. I’m not a “religious person” and it’s clear to me that abortion is wholesale slaughter.

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Time to get to work, I guess. I had hoped to stay on the sidelines, personally.

<Sam Elliot from Tombstone> Nobody is sayin' you can't murder people's babies. Nobody is sayin' you can't murder your own baby. We're just saying, the right to murder babies isn't protected in the US Constitution. <Elliot off>

When I heard this last night I had a brief holy shit moment ...then once I heard it was a leak (thought it was a bit early for them to announce) the bigger HOLY SHIT hit me.

It is quite obvious....if this leak is true, the reason for the leak is to put pressure on the court in order to flip a vote or 2.

This and to energize the left....

Also I can see Monkey's point, bread and circuses ....bread and circuses....we are entering riot season

This should have never been a federal issue....as with many things it IS a states issue.

And a note, been a while since I have checked on SF and it was nice to see most people are arguing the point not on the morals of abortion but on the actual issue of federal over reach.

If the dem states want abortion let them vote it into law and if the conservative states choose to limit the ability to have an abortion they have that right.

Let the people decide.....this is the system our fore fathers designed....for a reason.

Not to be too hyperbolic but one could see this as the cause of the great schism. I wonder ...if this decision stands how it will play out.

will we see a mass exodus as people move to states that align with their moral beliefs?

Will we see corporations enter the fray once states begin legislating this issue as we saw in Georgia and Florida? This part is personally very interesting to me being in the tech side of the house and living in one of the up and coming tech states...Texas

What did that guy say about living in interesting times?

buckle up my imaginary friends

I am convinced this is a wag the dog move. I wouldn't put it past a certain alphabet agency to have intercepted such correspondence to take the spotlight off the current admin's failure.

LOOK, THE SHINY THING!

I also wouldn't put it past a justice themselves to have done it. Two of them are outright radicals and vote with their vaginas. One is on his way out and has been replaced by radical vagina who can't tell us what the definition of a woman is.

Having high morals standards and a functioning brain isn't a requirement anymore to be a SC justice.

Tony.