She's been in jail all this time?
I didn't think this possible anymore given all the support groups who bail people out these days.

We have traitors because no one is fearful enough of the consequences.

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She's been in jail all this time?
I didn't think this possible anymore given all the support groups who bail people out these days.

She was denied bail I believe.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
The subject of this thread is espionage against the United States, gentlemen.

And, if found guilty, she should be hung by the neck until dead for being a traitor.

I will happily buy the rope

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
We have traitors because no one is fearful enough of the consequences.

That's not really true, in the same way super strict gun laws only really impact lawful citizens, but I agree that more get away with it than they should. Crooks are gonna crook.

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Originally posted by 46and2:

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
We have traitors because no one is fearful enough of the consequences.

That's not really true, in the same way super strict gun laws only really impact lawful citizens, but I agree that more get away with it than they should. Crooks are gonna crook.

I understand. Human nature is driven by consequences. A crook is a crook because the consequences are not severe enough, present enough or both. It's a matter of degrees. Given we don't want to follow everyone around with a gun to their head, we'll have to suffer an occasional crook who thinks he won't get caught. The rest will think twice while watching the crows pluck the dead eyes out of the corpse of that fool.

yep, bail was denied

from June:

A federal judge on Thursday denied bail to Reality Leigh Winner, the 25-year-old Georgia woman accused of leaking classified information to the media, after prosecutors argued she remains a flight risk, a threat to the public and could possibly leak more government documents.

Winner, a National Security Agency contractor and former Air Force linguist, pleaded not guilty in U.S. District Court to a federal charge of gathering, transmitting or losing defense information, a felony offense under the Espionage and Censorship Act

That's a bad spot to be in.
She is lucky this isn't 100 years ago.

Air Force Vet Admitted To Leaking NSA Documents, But Her Confession Might Not Count In Court
By ADAM LINEHAN on August 31, 2017 T&P ON FACEBOOK
An Air Force veteran told FBI agents that she had leaked classified U.S. documents, but a legal technicality may prevent prosecutors from using the confession as evidence in her upcoming trial, the Associated Press reports.

Reality Winner, a 25-year-old former Air Force linguist, stands charged of copying a classified report and mailing it to a leak-friendly news site. Winner was working as a government contractor in Augusta, Georgia, when the leak occurred in early May. She held a top secret security clearance at the time.

Winner later admitted to a pair of FBI agents that she had leaked the documents, according to a criminal complaint filed June 5 in the U.S.’s Southern Georgia District Court. The two agents were executing a search warrant at Winner’s apartment when the confession was made.

“[Winner] admitted removing the classified intelligence reporting from her office space, retaining it, and mailing it from Augusta, Georgia, to the news outlet, which she knew was not authorized to receive or possess the documents,” according to a Department of Justice statement released on June 5.

Winner’s defense attorneys are now asking a federal judge to suppress any comments she made during the interview because the agents never gave her a Miranda warning, which law enforcement officials must read to criminal suspects in custody. But Winner had not been formally arrested at that point.

However, according to the AP, in a court motion filed on Aug. 29, an attorney for Winner said that she believed she was under arrest as she was being questioned in her apartment, noting that the agents were standing in front of the door.

“Winner was never told she was free to leave, nor was she advised as to her arrest status,” Winner’s attorneys wrote. “Indeed, when she specifically asked whether she was under arrest, the agents told her they did not know the answer to that ‘yet.’”

As of Aug. 31, the judge had not yet ruled on the defense motion, nor had prosecutors filed a reply. But on Aug. 30, U.S. Magistrate Judge Brian K. Epps agreed to postpone Winner’s trial, which was due to begin in October. The case has now been rescheduled for March 2018.

According to the AP, Winner has pleaded not guilty to charges that she illegally retained and transmitted national defense information. And while authorities have not publicly discussed what that information was or to whom Winner transmitted it to, it seems fairly obvious.

The Intercept reported in May that it had obtained a classified National Security Agency report suggesting “Russian military intelligence executed a cyberattack on at least one U.S. voting software supplier and sent spear-phishing emails to more than 100 local election officials just days before last November’s presidential election.”

The Intercept said the NSA report was dated May 5, which is the same date that appeared on the document Winner is charged with leaking.

Soon after Winner’s arrest, The Intercept announced that its parent company, First Look Media, had decided to provide independent support for her legal defense, and argued that the leak highlighted “vulnerabilities in the U.S. election system and [provided] vital context for the current debate over Russian interference in the election.”

Winner could face up to 10 years in prison if convicted.

http://taskandpurpose.com/air-...y&utm_content=button

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But Winner had not been formally arrested at that point.

And with that, I'd say she's screwed.

(Trust me; I watch a lot of Law & Order.)

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But Winner had not been formally arrested at that point.

And with that, I'd say she's screwed.

There’s no way of knowing for certain how a judge will rule, but I would be astonished if the confession were suppressed. But the defense will of course always claim that every single bit of the prosecution’s case is flawed and that their client should be released immediately. That’s what our criminal system demands.

On the other hand, if the claim that the agents said they didn’t know if she was under arrest when asked is true, they should find different jobs. A rookie cop in Podunk should understand the significance of the bright line between being under arrest and not being under arrest when talking to a suspect. I suspect, or hope at least, that the defendant’s claim is bogus and the FBI agents said nothing of the sort.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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But Winner had not been formally arrested at that point.

And with that, I'd say she's screwed.

There’s no way of knowing for certain how a judge will rule...

Yeah, I'm not holding my breath either way.

Anyway, even without the confession, there seems to be a mighty strong case against her.

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Winner said that she believed she was under arrest as she was being questioned in her apartment, noting that the agents were standing in front of the door.

“Indeed, when she specifically asked whether she was under arrest, the agents told her they did not know the answer to that ‘yet.’”

This sounds like a bunch of bull shit. Either they said you are under arrest, or they did not say it. If they did not and she chose to talk, believing she was under arrest, that is her fault. I guess if you are dumb enough to leak classified documents then you are dumb enough to screw this up. Espionage 101, when the man shows up, don't talk. Apparently she did not think this part through.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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But Winner had not been formally arrested at that point.

And with that, I'd say she's screwed.

There’s no way of knowing for certain how a judge will rule...

Yeah, I'm not holding my breath either way.

Anyway, even without the confession, there seems to be a mighty strong case against her.

SEEE? NEVER TALK TO THE MAN OR IN FRONT OF THE MAN!!


It sounds like it was not a confession, but an admission against interest or a declaration against interest.

She toasted herself, and only awaits the butter and orange marmalade.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...by-fox-news-n2387837

Reality Winner, the NSA contractor accused of leaking a classified document about Russian hacking in the 2016 election, told the FBI that she smuggled the report out of the high security intelligence facility.

"So how did you get it out of the office?" FBI agent Justin Garrick asked.

"Folded it in half in my pantyhose," Winner replied. “Let’s be straight, there’s little to no security on documents. Nobody pats you down.”

“I saw the article and was like, I don’t understand why this isn’t a thing,” she said. “It made me very mad ... I guess I just didn’t care about myself at that point. ... Yeah, I screwed up royally."

She also acknowledged that she knew leaking the information would reveal intelligence sources and methods but that she figured those had already been made public from other leaks on the topic.

"Did you know that if that got out, that those sources and methods could be compromised?" Garrick asked.

"If they hadn't been already, then yes," Winner responded. "I figured that ... that it didn't matter anyway. Umm, honestly, uh, I just figured that whatever we were using had already been compromised, and that this report was just going to be like a — one drop in the bucket."

She added: "Seeing that [information] that had been contested back and forth in the public domain for so long, trying to figure out, like, with everything else that keeps getting released and keeps getting leaked — why isn't this getting — why isn't this out there? Why can't this be public?"

Politics also may have influenced her decision to release the documents to The Intercept, a left-leaning website. According to her social media accounts she was a supporter of Sen. Bernie Sanders and once called Trump a "piece of shit."

According to the transcript, she also told agents that she felt triggered by Fox News being on at the workplace.

“I’ve filed formal complaints about them having Fox News on, you know?” she said. “Uh, just at least, for God’s sake, put Al Jazeera on, or a slideshow with people’s pets. I’ve tried everything to get that changed.”

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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...by-fox-news-n2387837

According to the transcript, she also told agents that she felt triggered by Fox News being on at the workplace.

“I’ve filed formal complaints about them having Fox News on, you know?” she said. “Uh, just at least, for God’s sake, put Al Jazeera on, or a slideshow with people’s pets. I’ve tried everything to get that changed.”

Well, instead of becoming a traitor why not kill the tv? Choices, lady, choices.

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She added: "Seeing that [information] that had been contested back and forth in the public domain for so long, trying to figure out, like, with everything else that keeps getting released and keeps getting leaked — why isn't this getting — why isn't this out there? Why can't this be public?"

Hey "Winner", its because fuckwits like you don't make those decisions.
Doesn't matter if it's been leaked before....ask the NSA people jailed under President Sparklefarts regime.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
We have traitors because no one is fearful enough of the consequences.

That's not really true, in the same way super strict gun laws only really impact lawful citizens, but I agree that more get away with it than they should. Crooks are gonna crook.

Except the slide in harshness of penalty for those guilty of shooting/killing police officers can probably be correlated to the rise in violence perpetrated against officers of the law.

This girl is hosed, and a fool, with a ridiculous name.

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Originally posted by Veeper:

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Originally posted by 46and2:

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
We have traitors because no one is fearful enough of the consequences.

That's not really true, in the same way super strict gun laws only really impact lawful citizens, but I agree that more get away with it than they should. Crooks are gonna crook.

Except the slide in harshness of penalty for those guilty of shooting/killing police officers can probably be correlated to the rise in violence perpetrated against officers of the law.

Demonstrating correlations is easy, but largely meaningless, it's causation that matters, and that's exponentially more difficult to demonstrate, and rarely ever is. And the number of times correlation is incorrectly mistaken for causation happens significantly more often.

Inconvenient, no doubt, but true just the same.

I would think she could work a plea bargain if she gave up the location of the thumb drive she downloaded to.

She could get a lesser sentence, and the US would keep the data secure. Of course, she may have all ready provided the drive to a third party, which greatly complicates her case.

If she does not offer the location of the thumb drive, in a bid for a plea deal, I suspect she all ready passed it on. If so, may as well burn her at the stake, so to speak.