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Originally posted by ArtieS:
I have no serious problem with Assange. He is (a) not an American and thus owes us no duty; (b) he is a publisher, not a thief. If we are unwilling to prosecute the New York Times or Washington Post or any other American news outlet for publishing stolen classified information, we are in no position to complain about Assange.

The thieves who steal the information, however are of another character. Up against the wall and shoot em. I have more respect for Snowden than the others because he, at least, was willing to go into exile over his actions, which indicates some personal level of moral belief in the rightness of his actions, even if those actions and that belief are misplaced. He knew he was going to pay a price and did so before he was caught. He ran, but he didn't hide. Manning and Winner are simple criminals and fools.

As for the comments about spying that Snowden exposed, and how such things are necessary for our security, I hold to the belief that freedom and security live on a sliding scale. I am willing to have less security and more freedom. My government did't give me that choice and decided to use unconstitutional means to collect and use information on American citizens, essentially because it took the position that it was "good for us". I don't want the government deciding what's "good for me". If it wants power and authority, it can ask for it; otherwise follow the rules.

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Originally posted by KMitch200:

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
I have no serious problem with Assange. He is (a) not an American and thus owes us no duty; (b) he is a publisher, not a thief. If we are unwilling to prosecute the New York Times or Washington Post or any other American news outlet for publishing stolen classified information, we are in no position to complain about Assange.

The thieves who steal the information, however are of another character. Up against the wall and shoot em. I have more respect for Snowden than the others because he, at least, was willing to go into exile over his actions, which indicates some personal level of moral belief in the rightness of his actions, even if those actions and that belief are misplaced. He knew he was going to pay a price and did so before he was caught. He ran, but he didn't hide. Manning and Winner are simple criminals and fools.

As for the comments about spying that Snowden exposed, and how such things are necessary for our security, I hold to the belief that freedom and security live on a sliding scale. I am willing to have less security and more freedom. My government did't give me that choice and decided to use unconstitutional means to collect and use information on American citizens, essentially because it took the position that it was "good for us". I don't want the government deciding what's "good for me". If it wants power and authority, it can ask for it; otherwise follow the rules.

Weren't the Rosenbergs the last ones executed for spying? Clearly, America doens't have the stomach for it.
If Aldrich Ames, Ana Montes, Ronald Pelton and John Fucking Walker weren't executed, it seems no spy will be.

Well said.
The last thing I need in my life is the govt. deciding how much freedom I really want or need.

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Originally posted by mbinky:
What makes me giggle is that in her mind, if she even thought she would get caught, she probably imagined the entire left rallying around her, praising her endlessly. There would be marches in DC calling for her release, funds set up for her defense, and when she got off she would be a star on the left wing TV circuit. A hero to the resistance.

Oops lol.

I imagine she is sitting her her cell right now wondering what went wrong. And she hopefully will have a looong time to think about it.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
What made me chuckle was when she referenced Bradley Manning when talking to her sister about how to talk to the media or whatnot because "that's how [he] got out."

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Originally posted by mbinky:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
What made me chuckle was when she referenced Bradley Manning when talking to her sister about how to talk to the media or whatnot because "that's how [he] got out."

Lol she can go for the sex change, but the sentence commutation won't come for at least seven and a half years

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
I have no serious problem with Assange. He is (a) not an American and thus owes us no duty; (b) he is a publisher, not a thief. If we are unwilling to prosecute the New York Times or Washington Post or any other American news outlet for publishing stolen classified information, we are in no position to complain about Assange.

The thieves who steal the information, however are of another character. Up against the wall and shoot em.

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My government did't give me that choice and decided to use unconstitutional means to collect and use information on American citizens, essentially because it took the position that it was "good for us". I don't want the government deciding what's "good for me". If it wants power and authority, it can ask for it; otherwise follow the rules.

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The government was created by rules, and it needs to follow them.

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government did't give me that choice and decided to use unconstitutional means to collect and use information on American citizens, essentially because it took the position that it was "good for us". I don't want the government deciding what's "good for me". If it wants power and authority, it can ask for it; otherwise follow the rules

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Originally posted by joel9507:
Keep the roles distinct, because the transgressions (and the legal treatments) are completely different. If it is legal in our culture/under our laws to publish without restriction, than a publisher (be they Assange, CNN, NYT, Fox, or whomever) is legal to print things, whether or not the things might be firing-squad illegal to have leaked. If memory serves, it was the "Pentagon Papers" case that established this.

That said, 'legal to publish' and 'good idea to publish' are different concepts.

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Originally posted by ulsterman:

They had the Walker Family dead to rights and still let them off the hook. Two died in prison and the son is walking the streets.

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A DELUSIONAL LOSER NAMED REALITY WINNER

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Yes, her real name is Reality Leigh Winner. Her parents named her that and are perhaps to blame for many of the things that are wrong with her.

A little while ago on Twitter, Ms. Winner called Donald Trump an “orange fascist.” Now she’s wearing an orange jumpsuit.

Until last weekend when she was arrested at her Georgia home, the 25-year-old Winner worked as a contractor for the National Security Agency despite leaving a huge slime trail of social-media comments suggesting that, oh, maybe she’s prone to bursts of political hysteria and thus shouldn’t be allowed within a thousand miles of sensitive government secrets:

• She suggested to mouth-breathing hip-hop superstar Kanye West that he should sell shirts proclaiming that “being white is terrorism.”

• She has variously referred to Donald Trump as a “cunt,” an “orange fascist,” and a “piece of shit.” She has implied that he enjoys burning crosses. After his election, she has used the hashtags #NeverMyPresident and #Resist.

• She treasonously told Iran’s Foreign Minister that “If our Tangerine in Chief declares war, we stand with you!”

• In notebooks seized by federal authorities, she allegedly wrote, “I want to burn the White House down … find somewhere in Kurdistan to live. Ha-ha!”

“A little while ago on Twitter, Ms. Winner called Donald Trump an ‘orange fascist.’ Now she’s wearing an orange jumpsuit.”

Winner faces a single charge of “gathering, transmitting, or losing defense information.” She allegedly printed out a classified document about a Russian cyberattack on US voting machines prior to last November’s election and mailed it to website The Intercept. As far as we can discern, the document does not allege the attack was successful, that it had any effect on the election results, nor that Donald Trump or his associates were in any way involved with it.

In a jailhouse discussion that was recorded, Winner allegedly told her sister, “I’m pretty, white and cute” and that she intended to play that angle to win her case. She also reportedly told her sister that she intended to braid her hair and cry in court.

Miss Reality Winner faces ten years in prison. If she actually believes being white is “terrorism,” justice will only be served if she is also charged with lifelong acts of terrorism.

Winner once referred to US Attorney General Jeff Sessions as a “Confederate General.” To her presumed dismay, the Confederate General will oversee her prosecution.