Can't deal with the fingerprint sensor anymore. Before getting an X in 2017 (now have an 11 Pro) I noticed pain/weakness in my thumb. Yep, it went away after I got the X with facial recognition. All the fingerprint unlocks were causing a repetitive motion, ergonomic issue. But I have business and personal iPhones, and the screens are set to lock after them minimum amount of idle time. Mix of business IT security rules and personal privacy reasons.

That said, if you like the 6/7/8 form factor and want a lower price, the SE is a great value. When my kid finally kills his hand me down 5s, this new SE is probably the best option.

Yeah, the fingerprint sensor doesn't work well for my wife, either. She has very faint fingerprints. It's often a problem whenever her fingerprints are taken for government docs. So she almost always uses unlock codes. (I think she's actually given up on the fingerprint sensors entirely.)

But $200, $300, or more for a different iPhone was not in the cards. And neither of us wanted phones any bigger than what we currently have.

With the fingerprint access all they gotta do is cut yer thumb off and bingo, they are into the phone,

Sure in order to get into the face recognition phone they could remove your face and eyes, or cut your head off, but it's a bitch to carry a severed head around under your arm and a bit bloody to boot. You'd need a bowling ball bag or larger gun bag or a Head Bag.



You can put a thumb in a baggie in yer pants and it won't pull them down below yer knees...

Fingerprint worked fantastic for me. Best thing since sliced bread... until I got one with face ID Almost forget about it working in the background.

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Originally posted by HRK:
With the fingerprint access all they gotta do is cut yer thumb off and bingo, they are into the phone,

Sure in order to get into the face recognition phone they could remove your face and eyes, or cut your head off, but it's a bitch to carry a severed head around under your arm and a bit bloody to boot. You'd need a bowling ball bag or larger gun bag or a Head Bag.

You can put a thumb in a baggie in yer pants and it won't pull them down below yer knees...

And if you turn on "Requires Attention" for Face ID supposably (haven't tried it) your severed head, or dead body or you are asleep while your someone tries to get into your phone, it won't work to unlock it.

Finger print was suggested to be secure to a 1 in 500,000 chance of other people's finger working it. Face ID was first supposed to double that to 1 in 1,000,000 with "Requires Attention" turned on and back to 1 in 500,000 with "Requires Attention" turned off. Face ID does seem to work snappier with "Requires Attention" off.

Face recognition will also work in extremely low light conditions. I tested my X in my bedroom at night with just the TV on for light.

Up till then I was always happy with fingerprint access. Great deal on a good phone, I'd be all over it if I didn't have the X. Good on Apple for the price job.

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Originally posted by cparktd:
Fingerprint worked fantastic for me. Best thing since sliced bread... until I got one with face ID Almost forget about it working in the background.

yeah I was in the no FaceID camp, mainly because who knows what Apple is doing with your id file, or will do, hopefully nothing but letting your device use it, I guess the same applies for the finger prints if you have more than one on file..

the other option for users that have issues with it moving to a locked screen is to go into settings and tell it never lock screen on the timer..

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Originally posted by cparktd:
Fingerprint worked fantastic for me. Best thing since sliced bread... until I got one with face ID Almost forget about it working in the background.

yeah I was in the no FaceID camp, mainly because who knows what Apple is doing with your id file, or will do, hopefully nothing but letting your device use it, I guess the same applies for the finger prints if you have more than one on file..

As I understand it, it is extremely secure and doesn't go to Apple, or anywhere. The fingerprint and Face ID info is locked in a separate chip that can't be accessed otherwise. It simply responds with a go / no go when queried. I probably didn't explain that very well but IIRC that is the gist of it.

Mine should arrive on the 29th according to Apple.

My iphone 7's battery is on its last leg, so it was time.

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Originally posted by HRK:
yeah I was in the no FaceID camp, mainly because who knows what Apple is doing with your id file, or will do, hopefully nothing but letting your device use it, ...

As I've noted here on SF before: Apple has an exceedingly customer-friendly privacy policy. In short: What little data they do collect, they promise they will never share or sell to anybody, for any reason, at any time. (Short, I imagine, of a court order.)

CEO Tim Cook wrote an open letter on the issue several years ago. It's not on Apple's site anymore, but you can find it reprinted, in full, elsewhere. E.g.: Tim Cook reiterates commitment to user privacy and security in letter on Apple website, launches new security page

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A few years ago, users of Internet services began to realize that when an online service is free, you’re not the customer. You’re the product. But at Apple, we believe a great customer experience shouldn’t come at the expense of your privacy.

Our business model is very straightforward: We sell great products. We don’t build a profile based on your email content or web browsing habits to sell to advertisers. We don’t “monetize” the information you store on your iPhone or in iCloud. And we don’t read your email or your messages to get information to market to you. Our software and services are designed to make our devices better. Plain and simple.

I've since read Apple's privacy policies and, unless I missed something, that's precisely what they promise.

How much do I trust Apple? Enough such that, when I'm asked if I wish to "send certain performance data to Apple to help them improve their service" I always ok it. On the only Android devices we still own, a couple Android TVs (which are retired), I refused to give Google the same permission.

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Originally posted by archerman:
Mine should arrive on the 29th according to Apple.

Well, then, I guess the honor of being SF's Official iPhone SE (2020) guinea pig will be your's

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Originally posted by archerman:
My iphone 7's battery is on its last leg, so it was time.

My iPhone 6S' is at 96%, as I took advantage of the $30 replacement a year ago or so. My wife's is down to 88%.

I'm doing this primarily for the T-Mobile 600MHz Band 71 support. I'm also hoping it'll solve a problem I've been having with our surveillance system when on cellular data. My wife's mainly interested for the better camera. We're both hoping for greatly-improved battery runtime. 4x the on-phone storage won't hurt, either

My SE arrived this morning.

A big thanks to the SF member That said apple had a 10% veteran discount. Saved me $45 Bought unlocked and just moved my sim.

Apple really makes setup easy. Moved from 4 year old SE. The other Apple phones available were larger than I wanted.

So far so good.

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Originally posted by Prefontaine:
I loathe the fingerprint thing because it does not work with gloves which I use frequently for all sorts of things. Yard work, K9 work, MTB riding, motorcycle riding, weight lifting, shooting, winter time gloves, PWC riding, etc. Fingerprint they can put it on the back at the bottom or really any place on the entire screen.

THis, you can't open the phone wearing full motorcycle gloves, mine tethers into the entertainment system for comm, gps and music systems, with the new face recon, I can glance at it and it opens up.

I'd rather have BT ear buds and no wire connection, being tied to a device is a PIA...

Doesn't matter what you do, someone somewhere is gonna bitch, hell they probably still want a rotary dial...

Wait....Are you not wearing a Motorcycle Helmet when you're wearing 'full motorcycle gloves'? How is Face ID a work around when you're riding?

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Originally posted by Vanwall:
My SE arrived this morning.

Whoops! We have a winner!

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Originally posted by Vanwall:
A big thanks to the SF member That said apple had a 10% veteran discount. Saved me $45

If that was me (I mentioned it earlier in this thread): You're welcome

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Originally posted by Vanwall:
Bought unlocked and just moved my sim.

Yeah, I was relieved to find it uses a nano-SIM, same as our 6S'.

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Originally posted by Vanwall:
Apple really makes setup easy. Moved from 4 year old SE.

Also good to hear. I've never upgraded w/in the Apple ecosphere before. But it seems that if you have everything backed-up to iCloud it's easy peasy.

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Originally posted by Vanwall:
So far so good.

Keep us appraised!

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Originally posted by Vanwall:
My SE arrived this morning.

A big thanks to the SF member That said apple had a 10% veteran discount. Saved me $45 Bought unlocked and just moved my sim.

Apple really makes setup easy. Moved from 4 year old SE. The other Apple phones available were larger than I wanted.

So far so good.

Same here, transferred over without issue. Upgraded from an SE that the battery was swelled causing the top of the screen to sit away from the case. Still wished it was smaller, but for the price I can’t be too picky. Had an old iPhone 8 Magpul case from a work phone that it fit without issue.

Damn, it always fascinates me where these types of threads go. Can we refocus for a while?

First off, this phone isn't for everyone. It's not marketed to unseat the iPhone 11 and 11 Pro. So if you want the cream of the crop Apple has to offer, and the bank account to back the purchase, Apple has all kinds of options for you.

If Face ID is an issue for you, you've got several Apple options that include it. It makes perfect sense not to include it in the SE 2 to keep the cost low.

If the lack of high end camera functionality (night mode or additional cameras) is an issue, you have several Apple options that will fill those needs nicely.

I'm an Android user and will likely stay an Android use. However, even I can see how incredibly smart/important this move by Apple is. This broadens their product offerings and opens the door to getting even more people into the Apple ecosystem. And its a foregone conclusion that 'most' people who acquire an iPhone will remain iPhone users going forward. Of course one negative side effect is that the SE 2 will also render the value of your iPhone 6, 6s, 7, and 8 virtually zero, since buyers can now get a brand new SE 2 for $399 (or even less with some offers).

I haven't always be complimentary of some of the things Apple has done, but this move to re-offer an excellent $399 SE 2 was overdue and should pay huge dividends down the road for Apple. So can we focus on what this phone accually is, rather than what its not?

... new features and functions ... trade in the google pixel3 ...

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Originally posted by cjevans:
... new features and functions ... trade in the google pixel3 ...

If I had a Pixel 3 and wanted a new phone, I'd be waiting for the month away Pixel 4a to trade it in on. I think the Pixel 4a is going to be every bit as good for Android buyers as the SE 2 will be for Apple buyers.

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Originally posted by cjevans:
... new features and functions ... trade in the google pixel3 ...

If you prefer the Android ecosystem to Apple's, then, as bigdeal suggested, you would probably best be served by waiting for Google's answer to the SE. But, if you once had an iOS device, and want to go back to iOS, this would be your chance to get a pretty nice phone economically.

A $400 iphone option is great. We have and have had, multiple iPhones and iPad's for 15 years now. Some interesting things have hapened in the last few months that I can't explain.

1. My sister in law was here and my daughter was talking to her in person about Harry Potter and going to Universal Studios. Within an hour, my sister in law started getting Harry Potter and Universal ads on her phone.

2. My daughter was searching things on her ipad and almost immediately my wife started receiving ads for those things.

3. I was looking for local electricians on my phone, android, on Angie's list. I mentioned this verbally to my wife and within minutes, she was getting ads for local electricians on Angie's list on her iPhone.

I can't explain it, like I said, but these weren't coincides either.

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Some interesting things have hapened in the last few months that I can't explain.

1. My sister in law was here and my daughter was talking to her in person about Harry Potter and going to Universal Studios. Within an hour, my sister in law started getting Harry Potter and Universal ads on her phone.

Are you certain your SIL didn't do a search during that conversation?

I know I will often do a search on something, during a conversation, almost unconsciously, sometimes.

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2. My daughter was searching things on her ipad and almost immediately my wife started receiving ads for those things.

How would anybody associate your wife's account with your daughter, unless the iPad was registered to your wife's Apple account?

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Originally posted by trapper189:
3. I was looking for local electricians on my phone, android, on Angie's list. I mentioned this verbally to my wife and within minutes, she was getting ads for local electricians on Angie's list on her iPhone.

So you're suggestion Siri is listening 100% of the time, interpreting what's said, and passing that information along to advertisers?

All of that is strictly in violation of Apple's pretty clear-cut Terms Of Service and directly contradicts everything Apple has claimed about how it handles Siri data. For example:

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... while Google and Amazon link recordings with a person's account on their services, Apple uses random identifiers for Siri recordings, which you can reset in your settings. In its statement, Apple said that it believes that feature was "unique among the digital assistants." The random identifier is discarded after six months, Apple said.

But if, despite these assurances from Apple, you think Apple is listening to you, there are things you can do: Ask Siri, Dictation & Privacy

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Originally posted by trapper189:
I can't explain it, like I said, but these weren't coincides either.

Perhaps, but I have everything except listen for "Hey, Siri" enabled, am w/in voice range of one of more of my Apple Watch, iPhone, and iPad nearly 24x7x52, and have never had any of that happen.

I asked my wife if she'd ever experienced any of these things. First she claimed she did. When I asked "Is it possible you searched on these things?", she looked doubtful, then thoughtful, then hesitantly replied "Yeah, I probably did."

I'm not going to claim it doesn't happen, because, not being an Apple insider I can't really know. I have to trust what Apple claims they do or do not do. But ISTM if they were really doing this, particularly on such a regular and widespread basis so as to account for what you're suggesting, it would come out. Then one of Apple's biggest selling points would be forever destroyed, because nobody would ever trust them ever again.

Also, knowing how security and privacy researchers are, if Apple was doing what you and some others have suggested, it would come out. Guaranteed.