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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by Paten:
And I'm flying to Texas for Thanksgiving.

Not unless that Geyhound bus can get airborne.

At least I thought to buy travel insurance this time. Just in case.

Things are going to crap at an accelerated rate. I guess that happens when it's intentional.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
I asked earlier - who is John Gault?

Yeah, linking not working to terrorism. They better rethink that one before it splashes back on their voting base.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
[Get a clue ffs.

What does "ffs" mean to someone who doesn't speak teen?

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
^^^Speaking of AA...

This is not news....Yet, but rumor has it that American Airlines is 'working' on a similar action' to what's happening at Southwest.

Time will tell, as they say....I say, Bring It!

Yes, Bring It!
This is just what we need. Good Americans willing to put themselves out. Here's something true: THEY ONLY HAVE AS MUCH POWER AS WE GIVE THEM

And most of them only fly where the airlines go, at least most of the time.

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
[Get a clue ffs.

What does "ffs" mean to someone who doesn't speak teen?

"For F***'s Sake."

My brother and SIL were caught up in Southwest’s pilot sick out today. Spent a whole day at the airport trying to make it over to S Carolina. Finally, made it to the counter hours later where they were given a $200 voucher, told, “Have a nice day,” and “Clear away from the counter.”

Nice. Here's a check, now GTFO. Thank you for not flying Southwest...

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:


"For F***'s Sake."

Ah. Of course it does.

For the record, I do have a fucking clue, and am vaccinated; about half the pilots most places seem to be vaccinated, half not, varies with the operator, age, demographic, etc.

My wife is in the high-risk group (as am I) and wasn't enamored with me traveling the globe and returning to possibly bring it home. Short of quitting work, the better option was vaccination, and as soon as it became available, we were both vaccinated. She's had a booster; when I'm available to do so, I'll get one, too.

For those pilots flying for operators who do considerable government work, I don't know how much the government will ultimately be able to enforce mandates, but the companies will do the policing in house. Personally, I don't much care if others get vaccinated or not. When it comes to a job action, which is illegal in a railway labor act setting, without an approval to strike, I won't engage in an illegal action to make a statement. It's unprofessional, and it's illegal.

My son was delayed on a SWA flight. Regardless of the cause, the passengers are expecting service. I dont' care the carrier or the company. One can have personal feelings, but it is unprofessional to impact the public service to express a personal bent.

No one is making a statement. We're just exercising out right to self-determination when it comes to what we do or do not choose to put in our bodies. You can try to reduce this to partisan politics, but that's what the leftists are doing. Informed consent. Remember those words.

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Originally posted by Paten:
At least I thought to buy travel insurance this time. Just in case.

You know, when I saw it in the checkout page, I had this funny feeling and decided to get it also. We'll see. If the post a few pages back about AA doing this as well, I may have to make use of it next week.

It greatly inconveniences me, but I'll get over it because I totally get it. I wouldn't want to be bullied into it, either.

I realize this isn't about partisan politics, and that there are a plethora of reasons that people may choose or resist vaccination. Many of them are political, regardless of the partisan nature: within the airline the politics aren't partisan, but factional: union, management, and competing interests that may be group, or personal.

Some resist vaccination as a matter of choice, while others do it based on a belief that it may be ineffective, or may harm, or any number of other reasons.

Presently the only mandated vaccine for those flying internationally is yellow fever, but the covid issue is global and it's almost certain to become a metric of travel, entry into countries, etc (as it has become in a number of locations). I don't know any pilots who have refused the yellow fever vaccine on the basis that they were required to get it, and I've worked at several operations where it was required. A pilot who doesn't get the necessary travel documents and the necessary vaccine can't be used in those operations. If it turns out that covid vaccine is such a requirement, then pilots will have to choose if they will go elsewhere, or get the vaccine.

If one engages in a job action such as a "sick out," it's illegal under the Railway Labor Act, under which all pilot unionization is organized. It's also unprofessional, as there are other avenues upon which to express disagreement with policy. Pilots are frequently counseled that if they are tasked with something that is required of them, but with which they disagree or that violates their contract, then take the flight, and file a grievance.

The issue of a requirement for pilots to vaccinate is a legal one that should be addressed through legal means, not by stranding passengers, cargo, or the operator, with illegal job actions. If pilots don't like it, there are legal means of redress.

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Informed consent.

...I recall one called "consent of the governed" too....

What do people think is going to happen when the airlines fire or suspend XX % of their pilots and flight crews?

What are.... cancelled flights?

People just got a taste of what is coming.

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I don't know any pilots who have refused the yellow fever vaccine on the basis that they were required to get it, and I've worked at several operations where it was required.

I don't argue with your wanting to earn a living and protect your wife, but I've gotta ask - were those yellow fever vaccines tested and, if so, for how long?

Sooooo…

Should my wife and I cancel/reschedule our flight to DR next week? We are flying AA

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
^^^Don't forget the fourth reason....Those who've already had & recovered from COVID, and therefore now have Robust Natural Immunity!

I claim ALL Four Reasons as exemptions, and justification for my refusal to comply!

I don't claim any of them. I'm simply saying no because as a free man, it is my right to do so. All the rest is nice but totally unnecessary in my book.

sns, "global pandemic". So lets talk about the globe and the pandemic shall we.

We can talk about countries like Australia, Israel, Canada, the US.

What about places like the Scandinavia countries, India, Africa, All of Asia, the Mediterranean. The Middle East, Russia, Europe. So what about the globe? How bad is it?

According to you, you freely travel the globe. Tell us. You seem to know everything.

Inform the rest of us who haven't a clue.

And by the way. The crap people (all) have been put through since this started. I do not give a rats ass what those airline employees contract says. Good for them for resisting more bullshit being thrown at them. It is way past time to say enough is enough.

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Originally posted by sns3guppy:
The issue of a requirement for pilots to vaccinate is a legal one that should be addressed through legal means, not by stranding passengers, cargo, or the operator, with illegal job actions. If pilots don't like it, there are legal means of redress.

There is no precedent for any of this and it will take years, likely decades to see "legal" results. In the mean time, these companies will have fired those that don't want dead baby tissue floating around inside them, causing their own "sick out". As it's been stated, there's gonna be a helluva shortage of talent (regardless of industry) come deadline time.

Your talk about the Yellow Fever vaccine is interesting: Started working on it in 1912. Vaccine began rollout in 1938. That's quite a few years of testing & refinement. 600 million doses worldwide....where are we at with COVID jabs? 400 Million and growing daily! What's the end game with yellow fever vaccine vs Covid jabs? One was about fixing a problem, the other is all about creating wealth for those involved, instilling fear in those that are to be controlled by the wealthy. It has fuckall to do with anyone's health!

I'm just gonna throw this out there for those that believe in the vaccine: What was every single liberal howling about (besides President DJT) before all of this COVID nonsense? It was a talking point for multiple politicians running for their office. I'll clue you in: THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPAINES and how exorbitantly priced medicine was along with the overall cost of MEDICAL treatment with and without insurance. Do you hear anyone squawking about that shit now? No. Why?