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Did the suspect have a knife? And did the store cleck entice the suspect to come closer and then snatch it from him?

I think that is what I saw. And if so, kudos to the clerk.
 
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Did the suspect have a knife? And did the store cleck entice the suspect to come closer and then snatch it from him?

I think that is what I saw. And if so, kudos to the clerk.


The notes under the video, "that I've now read slowly" says the guy demanded cigarettes, so the clerk put them on the counter, the guy put the knife on the counter to grab the pack, the clerk grabbed the knife and gave it to the officer behind the counter.
 
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Yeah the clerk was the calmest guy in the room. How could these 2 just just let him walk around like that. This is pretty bad. The gal behind the counter should have tased him at least. The one running out the door was especially shameful. Too bad they didn’t make him leak out more.

In about 1998 I applied with my hometown PD. Only department I applied to and was interested in working. One of the 3 largest in the Bay Area. I just turned 24, had a college degree from the town namesake state university, 3rd generation born and raised in that town, knew every major street and hiway and most of the backroads, Eagle Scout, never smoked weed in my life, never more than 1-2 alcohol drinks a week and never when out at a club or bar always soda. Nothing more than a handful of speeding tickets I’m very square. Made it Through written and physical testing to the polygraph. Never lied during that either. Called in for a 3rd or 4th round of group interviews. There’s about 30 of us in a room and they say pretty much if the chief likes your resume /test results you will be given an offer. Well I never got an offer. I can only imagine it was my white maleness or possibly the fact I already owned about 20 guns at that point as I had to give every name and serial #. I know several guys in that department and they are perpetually understaffed.

At the academy that department uses, there are PD hires as well as people putting themselves through POST training hoping to get hired. I have heard from more than several people about being in academy trading and they push the PD hires though no matter what. Even if they are a tiny female who doesn’t even have the arm strength to rack a shotgun slide. Or properly cuff and restrain even a moderately sized male
 
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There's your Goddamned "inclusivity" in action.


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Originally posted by ElToro: . . . I have heard from more than several people about being in academy trading and they push the PD hires though no matter what. Even if they are a tiny female who doesn’t even have the arm strength to rack a shotgun slide. Or properly cuff and restrain even a moderately sized male


But I imagine their training includes how to use two bullet proof vests at the same time. Roll Eyes

Not surprised at your experience. I once applied for a full time college teaching position, the admin asst of the HR Dept told me (off the record) they extended the application deadline, because they didn't get enough of the "right kind" of applications. The retiring prof who recommended me told me, "realistically, the only chance you have is to change your gender or your ethnicity."




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The biggest wtf for me was the one leaving her partner alone with the guy. What the fuck kind of partner is that???



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I saw this last night right after it was posted. I went to show my wife just now, and the body cam footage that was in the latter 1/3 was gone. I guess they got it through improper channels maybe?
 
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I saw this last night right after it was posted. I went to show my wife just now, and the body cam footage that was in the latter 1/3 was gone. I guess they got it through improper channels maybe?
Well, yes, looking at it now, it appears that the Police Activity channel edited the video.

Try this:



Yeah, that narration is a real peach. Roll Eyes
 
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Found one that's much better. I added this video to the first post in this thread.

 
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She had a very good opportunity to tase this nutty bastard in the back in that store. I can’t believe she ran out like that. Nobody will ever trust her again. I don’t like to Monday night quarterback these things usually but damn every bit of this was just awful and shameful. They need to put her behind a desk yesterday and keep her there
 
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Found one that's much better. I added this video to the first post in this thread.

[FLASH_VIDEO]<iframe frameborder="0" height="408" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/3zTnnjU_b3k" width="725"></iframe>[/FLASH_VIDEO]


Looking at that screenshot and the way she is holding the pistol.... wow her fellow officer is extremely lucky having avoided an accidental GSW!
 
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Get a load of this spin!! Truly amazing that people can try to say anything different watching the video.

https://www.nydailynews.com/ne...t3emtfrva-story.html

By GRAHAM RAYMAN
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

Ex-Wall Street trader Peyman Bahadoran lingers in a Bellevue Hospital ward, facing a lifetime of paralysis after he was shot in the spine by cops who believed — wrongly — that he came at them with a knife.

Bahadoran, 55, was suffering a mental breakdown around 6:30 a.m. June 4 when he entered the Healthy Green Gourmet deli at Third Ave. and E. 10th St. near Union Square, carrying a large Defender Xtreme serrated hunting knife in a sheath on his right side and walking his dog.

Bahadoran has been out of work on disability since 2013, and has a bipolar condition. He visited the deli at the height of the city’s George Floyd protests, during which cops and protesters clashed near his Union Square home.

“I was manic, paranoid, scared, anxious,” Bahadoran said of the protests’ effect on him. “You are watching everything. You are doing things that are not normal.”

At the deli, Bahadoran wanted to buy some Marlboro cigarettes. He largely declined to comment on what happened as he tried to make the purchase, but police said he menaced two officers who’d stopped in for breakfast.


Police also say Bahadoran menaced a store clerk with the knife when he demanded the smokes.

Bahadoran then left the knife on the store counter. At that point, Officer Jillian Suarez fired a Taser at him. Bahadoran says the stun gun’s darts missed him entirely because Suarez was too far away.

Surveillance video footage shows Suarez running out of the store and standing in the doorway while she radios in for backup with her hand on her gun.

Another store customer leaves the store and slowly walks away as if nothing is happening.

Seconds later, the video shows, Bahadoran emerges from the store with only a water bottle in his hands and confronts Suarez.

“I left my dog inside and I came out,” Bahadoran recalled. “And there was a cop with a gun out, and other cops.”

From there, it all happened in the blink of an eye.

The video shows Bahadoran approach Suarez, who has her gun drawn, and shoving her. They grapple momentarily, and he continues to step toward her as she backs away.

At the point his right hand drops briefly to his waist near the sheath. As other officers come running up, he turns and pushes a second cop, Lt. Luis Machado, who steps backward.

“I wasn’t pushing them. I think I was shooing them,” Bahadoran said. “It was like, ‘Get out of my way.’ I wasn’t attacking them. I’ve always been a law-abiding citizen. I just wanted to get home.”

“I was like, ‘What are you going to do? Shoot me? I have nothing. I am not armed.’ I put up my hands and, ‘Boom!’” he told The News.

Suarez and Machado opened fire at Bahadoran at almost the same moment. The video shows Bahadoran falling to the ground in the gutter, face up.

“One cop shot me in the forearm and the bullet went through. The other cop shot me in the back,” Bahadoran said.

Officers put tourniquets on his wounds and took his wallet, credit cards, keys, phone and his shoes, he said.

An officer told him he would be OK. Bahadoran asked to be taken to Beth Israel Hospital, where his daughter, now 12, had been born.

Instead, an ambulance took him to Bellevue.

When Bahadoran woke up, two detectives were standing over him. Despite his paralysis, his wrists and legs were shackled to the bed.

“I realized I’m paralyzed, and to me, being paralyzed and being dead is the same thing,” Bahadoran said. “Even though I couldn’t move they had me shackled.”

“They simply botched it,” said his lawyer, Earl Ward. “This is a case where they should have used their CIT (crisis intervention) training.

“They shot an unarmed man who posed no deadly risk to them and as a result they paralyzed this poor man.”

In a statement, an NYPD spokeswoman said cops were already in a heightened state of alert after an officer had been slashed in the neck hours earlier in Brooklyn.

Bahadoran, the statement said, refused to drop the knife inside the deli. The officers did not see him put the knife on the counter, the statement said.

“When responding officers arrived, they saw the individual motion toward a large sheath on his waistband,” said the statement.

Bahadoran “refused officers’ repeated demands to stop his aggressive advances,” the statement said. “The individual was then shot two times. Police later learned the knife was located inside of the store.”

Bahadoran said he doesn’t remember any warnings from police.

“I don’t understand how they (the NYPD) can say it was justified,” said Ward, of the firm Emery, Celli, Brinckerhoff and Abady. “I count one point where he touches his side, but when the first shot was fired there was no motion toward the sheath. It’s just a panicked reaction.”

A police source familiar with NYPD procedures and tactics in situations involving emotionally disturbed people said the use of deadly physical force in this case was not within department guidelines.

“He had no weapon, so there was no imminent threat. In the NYPD, you are taught to watch the hands,” the source said. “The female officer who was pushed did not react to a weapon, but to his anger and noncompliance. It appears that they fired out of fear rather than a deadly threat.”

Several other current and retired detectives agreed. “It’s not a justified shooting because he has nothing in his hands,” he said. “We have to articulate some way that they saw a deadly threat, and here there’s clearly no threat of serious physical injury. You need more than pushing.”

However, Eugene O’Donnell, a retired NYPD captain now at John Jay College, said in his view Bahadoran was close enough to both cops to grab their guns. “He’s charging her in a most threatening way; there’s no innocent explanation for that,” he said. “He’s within a nanosecond of having the firearm if he wants it. He then shoves another cop.”


Bahadoran was born in Iran and his family emigrated to the U.S. in 1983. His father was a doctor, and his mother was a lab technician. He earned a BA in finance and real estate at the University of Wisconsin and an MBA from the University of Pittsburgh.

From there, Wall Street beckoned. Bahadoran was an equity derivatives trader for Cantor Fitzgerald, the Maxim Group and other firms.

Later in life, he developed a bi-polar condition and has been out on disability since 2013.

Bahadoran says the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks affected him, as did working a few years later at Cantor, which lost 658 employees in the attacks, and his separation from his wife. One symptom was paranoia, another was the inability to sleep.


 
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Found one that's much better. I added this video to the first post in this thread.

[FLASH_VIDEO]<iframe frameborder="0" height="408" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/3zTnnjU_b3k" width="725"></iframe>[/FLASH_VIDEO]


Looking at that screenshot and the way she is holding the pistol.... wow her fellow officer is extremely lucky having avoided an accidental GSW!


Yea, talk about being in the line of fire!


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Get a load of this spin!! Truly amazing that people can try to say anything different watching the video.

https://www.nydailynews.com/ne...t3emtfrva-story.html


That drivel is full of so much shit that merely reading it made me throw up in my mouth.
 
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She had a very good opportunity to tase this nutty bastard in the back in that store. I can’t believe she ran out like that. Nobody will ever trust her again. I don’t like to Monday night quarterback these things usually but damn every bit of this was just awful and shameful. They need to put her behind a desk yesterday and keep her there


She went out to call for a for a police officer. No, I mean a REAL police officer, not someone merely wearing a uniform. A REAL cop!!! Roll Eyes


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Officers put tourniquets on his wounds and took his wallet, credit cards, keys, phone and his shoes, he said.
Dang, they straight up robbed you, Boo! Roll Eyes
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Bahadoran says the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks affected him, as did working a few years later at Cantor, which lost 658 employees in the attacks, and his separation from his wife.
Well, there you go. He later worked at a firm which lost 658 employees on September 11th. He wasn't working for the firm on 9/11, but...

Case dismissed Roll Eyes
 
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Oh well if he was just having a manic attack and trying to buy some smokes then that’s cool. Just a big misunderstanding. Got it.

And yeah that view of the other officer directly downrange behind this mental case is pretty bad. Eesh.

Also the one that shot at him with a taser and missed, how accurate are those? This seemed to be very close range.
 
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Well, there you go. He later worked at a firm which lost 658 employees on September 11th. He wasn't working for the firm on 9/11, but...


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Dig the crossover thumb on the support hand.?


First thing I noticed. The clear sign of a highly trained individual and police officer that has great tactical skills. Rolls eyes.


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There are not enough eyes in the world for me to roll to convey my disgust on this one.


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