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blame canada |
If you think you've said anything intelligent in this thread, you really are delusional. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The trouble with our Liberal friends...is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan, 1964 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon will just take a shit on the board, strut around knocking over all the pieces and act like it won.. and in some cases it will insult you at the same time." DevlDogs55, 2014  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.rikrlandvs.com | |||
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I couldn't care less about pissing people off. If I have something to say, I'll say it. And why is being new around here a bad thing | |||
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Really?? And you have? | |||
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Fire begets Fire |
Being new isn’t bad. But poor insulting form and ignorance of local culture while visiting someone’s place is a major faux pas. Being immune to the fact that you’re pissing people off is pathologically psychotic; or in other words … an asshole. Not expecting pushback would be severely childish. "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
Happy trails, shit head. Banned | |||
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I like Rey HRH's description of the challenge; that everyone's foundation is significantly different. Much of the problem reconciling differing belief systems is simply a lack of contact with those of different beliefs, and a lack of face to face discussion of same. I'm guilty as well, almost no contact with members of the other political party, and unfortunately, absolutely no discussion of political topics. Those spouting simple inanities like "liberalism is a mental disorder", or a religion, or liberals lack common sense, however many of the simplistic and trite catch phrases thrown about, obviously haven't had a discussion of a thoughtful member from the other clan. Certainly, in this forum, one is not going to materialize, and I understand that. I'd like to think that 80% of this country could speak readily to one another, at ease, and reach either consensus on a topic, or agree to disagree on an ultimate goal based upon some preference. Lets say that 10% at each extreme may be unreachable, and dealing with beliefs not anchored in common fact or truth. | |||
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| blame canada |
I've held that belief in the past. That if we could just listen to, and care about one another...it would bridge the gap of difference and result in a peaceful tolerance. Unfortunately, that belief is a fallacy. Mental illness isn't just a "catch phrase", it is true. I've attempted these discussions many times. Not just in internet debate with keyboard warriors, but in person. With family members, with parishioners, with classmates in graduate studies, with co-workers. My post prior to the drama here, is not just a quick internet opinion. It's a summary of my experiences over decades. Your heart seems in the right place, it is a great thing that you believe the best about people. I think you're wrong, as a generalization. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The trouble with our Liberal friends...is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan, 1964 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon will just take a shit on the board, strut around knocking over all the pieces and act like it won.. and in some cases it will insult you at the same time." DevlDogs55, 2014 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.rikrlandvs.com | |||
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Sigforum K9 handler |
I’m curious. If part of the problem is a lack of face to face conversations, why from the top down on the left that conversation is always a lecture? Every time we hear “we need to have a national discussion on......”, it’s never a discussion and always a lecture. “Compromise” is always similar to the mob strong arming business owners out of money, then telling them “we are doing you a favor only taking $1000 per week instead of $2000”. Online, face to face, that’s the way it always is. Take “compromise” on “reasonable, common sense gun safety”. It is always taking of Rights from law abiding citizens. The “compromise” never actually includes gun owners getting anything. It’s always them taking less than what they first stated. And it never does anything to reduce crimes, because strangely enough, criminals don’t obey laws. | |||
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Excerpt for brevity. Well, not sure what to say about your experience, perhaps you're talking to the 10% on one extreme or a member of the other 10%? Neither I, nor any of my friends, acquaintances, etc... have a "mental illness" as you suggest. And to be clear, people are idiots and suck until they prove differently, so I'm completely unburdened by caring or having a heart in the right place. I just think that we all likely have much more in common than the current zeitgeist suggests. | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
Oh really? How about you give us some examples?
Hardly. Examples abound, even right here on this very forum: Donald Trump is a first-rate ass clown, but....
Sure you are. Now, about those examples of Trump being controlling and his followers wanting to be controlled...
Perhaps they thought they were explaining to a third-grader?
Walks into a forum in which even a cursory examination would reveal is mostly, if not majority, Trump-positive, bashes Trump and Trump supporters, gets hammered for it, whines about getting hammered, then suggests he's acted intelligently. Uh huh  "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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Excerpt... Right off the bat, the use of "always" belies some other challenge, its not the way people interested in a conversation start. I don't see that, though certainly my teenage boys suggest I do that on occasion. | |||
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| blame canada |
If you self-identify as a liberal, which is what I'm picking up from your response, my assertion is that foundationally I believe your beliefs to be self-service centered over self-sacrificing. We're speaking really broadly here, making assertions from a sentence or two without any face-to-face interactions which can speak even more deeply than words, however, (enough commas yet?) your last line proves my own broad assertion. "...so I'[m completely unburdened by caring or having a heart in the right place" that line. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The trouble with our Liberal friends...is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan, 1964 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon will just take a shit on the board, strut around knocking over all the pieces and act like it won.. and in some cases it will insult you at the same time." DevlDogs55, 2014 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.rikrlandvs.com | |||
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| Sigforum K9 handler |
Ok, if you do not see it, give me an example of one “National conversation on gun safety” that included an expansion of Rights (national concealed carry, suppressors being put on 4473s, or other tangible results) that have materialized in the last 40 years. Or the recent “national conversation on voting Rights”. What did it actually offer to secure fair elections? What did it offer Conservatives that Conservatives actually desired? The answer is nothing. It is ALWAYS a lecture. Pick any topic. It’s always emotion based. Never fact based. And always a lecture. | |||
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Dinosaur |
Couldn’t wait until Sunday? No respect for tradition. Meltdowns are customarily conducted on Sunday so members can enjoy them while sipping cocktails and noshing hors d'oeuvres. Do we need a sticky? | |||
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All this is sidebar to an interesting thread. a new one titled Conversation with a Moderate would be a more appropriate venue for much of it. And AKSuperDually, in your signature line, Reagan is spelled with an "a"  | |||
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A Grateful American |
Next you'll be chastising the memberfolk for not extending the pinkie whilst sipping soy lattes. Oh, wait... "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
This is your posting history: https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...tType=1&u=7960076042 It includes you getting upset about the term "creatives" and then- chosen at random- this intelligent-conversation-promoting gem: And this:
Why are you here? Your posting history indicates no interest in firearms whatsoever. It appears all you want to do is to pop up in threads about social issues to be mildly snarky and to make statements which are exaggerations, such as how we've ruined the "peaceful transition of power." You want attention? You have mine. Why are you here? This is a firearms discussion forum. Everything else is secondary. Why are you here? And I will require an answer from you, or you can just leave right now. | |||
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| blame canada |
I think it has been 4 or 5 years...I never noticed. I think I copied it from DevlDogs55....and never looked. Now that you've pointed it out, I can't unsee it. Thanks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The trouble with our Liberal friends...is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan, 1964 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon will just take a shit on the board, strut around knocking over all the pieces and act like it won.. and in some cases it will insult you at the same time." DevlDogs55, 2014 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ www.rikrlandvs.com | |||
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Respectfully, I acquired a beautiful P225 and stumbled upon this forum a decade ago(!) looking for information on the gun and brand. I peruse other threads, and particularly enjoy the photo section. I've sourced information about said gun, and other various components reading here. To clarify, I was one of a small number not upset by the term "creatives". | |||
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| Fire begets Fire |
The fishin’ is pretty good today… but like P210 says … “Sunday Sunday Sunday at the US30 dragstrip!” Respect the tradition dammit. "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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