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Reason interferes with faith. | |||
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| Run Silent Run Deep  |
Peoples beliefs are the same… But we have lost interpersonal skills such as compromise, empathy, humility, modesty, etc. These traits used to keep us in check. _____________________________ Pledge allegiance or pack your bag! The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher Spread my work ethic, not my wealth | |||
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| Crusty old curmudgeon  |
We have a head scratching issue with our 2 granddaughters regarding this issue. They are 2 years apart age wise and went to the same elementary, middle and high schools. Both really weren't political till they graduated from college. Now one is an ultra conservative and lives in north Idaho and the other is an ultra leftist and lives in Seattle. They have become so radical in their beliefs that they don't talk to each other anymore. Both married men that think basically the same as they do. The guys aren't as vocal regarding their beliefs as our granddaughters are and we enjoy their company when we get together. The girls, not so much. Like I said, a real head scratcher.  Jim ________________________ "If you can't be a good example, then you'll have to be a horrible warning" -Catherine Aird | |||
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| Ignored facts still exist |
Is there anyone who started out by leaning left, and then slowly over time changed, and took a turn to the conservative side once life started to happen? Maybe in about the mid 20's or so? Honestly I've seen more than one liberal hippy turned conservative yuppie. I have one in my family. . | |||
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Fire begets Fire |
I’ve seen conservatives turn into marxists when they sense their goobernment checks threatened. "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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His Royal Hiney |
Apart from any ulterior motive such as simply financial benefit, the reason why intelligent people can arrive at different conclusions is because they start out with different presumptions and different hierarchies of those basic truths. The explanation is simple math / logic. Logical conclusions are arrived at by intelligent people by making logical inferences from premises. It's a given in your problem that the conclusions are different and given that the people are equally intelligent, we can presume that each are using valid methodologies of making inferences. The only difference then that explains the different conclusions is with the remaining portion of the logical argumentation process - the premises each uses and the relative importance of each truth held by the individual. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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To me the left/right liberal/conservative democrat/republican boils down to just one basic conflict: Control of your life. The or a government in control and responsible vs you control your life and be responsible for your own decisions. How you get to one of those views is largely on how you grew up and were raised although there can be other factors. | |||
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| Fire begets Fire |
Maybe. Or sometimes people start with the wrong fact base, a set of inexperienced and distorted perspectives and poor critical analytical skills. (I made a small fortune from those conditions.) "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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The one constant among white leftists that I have met over the years is the feeling that they are somehow superior and feel that black and brown people are beneath them and therefore need their help. The other constant is a lack of understanding human nature. Because they don't understand they don't get the concept of unintended consequences. I think we saw this with covid, give people money and they won't work. Give them just enough so they won't feel compelled to improve their lot in life. Yet they never learn. | |||
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eh-TEE-oh-clez |
No single person can grasp the entirety of humanity in any single analysis. The best that any one of us can do is take a cursory slice of a few metrics/variables and make a wild guess. With nearly infinite variables at play for any single outcome, there is no objectively correct answer to anything involving society as a whole (or even as an individual), even to seemingly simple questions. If you think you've got the "correct" answer to any social problem, you simply haven't expanded your analysis to enough variables. | |||
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| eh-TEE-oh-clez |
Literally nobody understands human nature in its entirety. Not a single person. Even if one person was omniscient and had God-like power to know the mind and heart of every person everywhere all at once, that person still wouldn't be able to predict with certainty what would happen in the future because sometimes humanity is just fucking random. | |||
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| Experienced Slacker |
My parents were highly educated, and wise in many ways, but they were also dyed in the wool liberals. Which I got reminded of every time we spoke on the phone or were in the same room for more than fifteen minutes. I'll keep the point simple by saying that I stayed out of contact with them for many years and have mixed feelings about them being dead. Might want to keep that in mind when talking to your kids about politics. It's too late for my parents to do anything about it with me. | |||
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I don't try and figure it out anymore. I think a lot of leftists don't really think through the issues, they just blindly follow to be part of the club. 十人十色 | |||
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There is a big difference between intelligence and wisdom. People often confuse the two. | |||
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| Ignored facts still exist |
The paradox is liberals have 2 sets of people: Those who want to be in control, and those liberals who are happily under their control. I can understand those who want to control others, but I never understood why so many are willing to be controlled, and vote as such. . | |||
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| Fire begets Fire |
A lot of people are paralyzed by decisions. "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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| quarter MOA visionary |
It is just different side of the SAME coin. Those who covet the power and control and why they want to be controlled are those who give up freedom for security. Pretty simple. | |||
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| Banned |
The same could be said for Trump and his followers | |||
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| Fire begets Fire |
Curious … how so? "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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This will take me some time to unpack completely so give me time.  Yeah, the left's ideals are like religious doctrine that you can't question. | |||
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