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So as a diner, what are your options if someone is shouting in your face and will not leave you alone? Can you forcibly wrestle them to the ground, after telling them to leave?

I would say F*** Off!
... And just keep walking.

Unfortunatly I am not a walk away type, it's just not in my DNA.

If the screamer will not leave, I would suspect it is in your right to do a takedown and possibly citizen's arrest. If others come to the scream's aid and attack you, you do have a right to defend your self.

I would think that you would not be the agressor, but if the person is only screaming, you might be considered the aggressor.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
FB video, sorry for those without FB, couldn't find YouTube version.

BLM terrorists accost old man just trying to buy gas, then call him a terrorist.

FB Link

Oddly, just before watching this video, I had been reading this article about the creation of the Kel Tec KS7:

https://blog.keltecweapons.com...s-behind-the-bullpup

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Originally posted by c1steve:
Unfortunatly I am not a walk away type, it's just not in my DNA.

If the screamer will not leave, I would suspect it is in your right to do a takedown and possibly citizen's arrest. If others come to the scream's aid and attack you, you do have a right to defend your self.

I would think that you would not be the agressor, but if the person is only screaming, you might be considered the aggressor.

This depends on where you are.
In my state (Illinois), you have to be an "innocent party" (their definition). In this scenario, you'd have engaged the turd by taking him down, which could make you "not innocent."

Hope you live in a better place.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
Don't think I've seen this posted here. I cut to the point in the video where the people facing arrest warrants are announced. Listen closely to who these people are. This problem runs very deep, and its going to take a long time to root all of these traitors out and hand them their asses, so we need to get going.

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That took place very near my city. Very near. Portsmouth Va is a very liberal, mostly black city. Louise Lucas, the state senator from that area, was "ordering" cops to stand down when the statute was being wrecked. That statue fell on someone's head seriously injuring them. Made national news.

Portsmouth has a long history of corrupt mayors, police chiefs, etc. Almost all of them have been embroiled in ethics issues and been indicted or forced to step down, and replaced with others just as corrupt.

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Originally posted by c1steve:
Unfortunatly I am not a walk away type, it's just not in my DNA.

If the screamer will not leave, I would suspect it is in your right to do a takedown and possibly citizen's arrest. If others come to the scream's aid and attack you, you do have a right to defend your self.

I would think that you would not be the agressor, but if the person is only screaming, you might be considered the aggressor.

I understand that it's not in your dna to walk away but if you are out with the wife you may have to do just that. It's not in my dna either but I'm not going to get into a situation in which my wife get's hurt. I'll do everything I can to avoid that including walking away. Nothing is more important to me than my wife. She will not be hurt or dragged out of our car in a jacking as an example. I'll take the jail time or even death but she is NOT going to be hurt.

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Originally posted by c1steve:
So as a diner, what are your options if someone is shouting in your face and will not leave you alone? Can you forcibly wrestle them to the ground, after telling them to leave?

I would not raise my arm - that's for certain. If they get into my face yelling, I'd just stand up and leave WITHOUT paying the restaurant bill. If the establishment lets the mob harass their paying customers, well I won't be their paying customer.

In a major Metro area like that, is calling 911 a viable option?

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Originally posted by sigalert:
Just a random thought.

At the risk of mixing too many metaphors, the camel of neo-Marxism is poking it’s nose under the tent of America.

No. The 'camel' of communism is very well entrenched in the United States. Communism has been an active component in America literally since the the concept of communism was conceived, espoused and made known the world over. There's literally nothing 'Neo' about the communism we are seeing today. It has been an active political party in the US going all the way back to the turn of the 20th century. Upon the close of WWII, the US and USSR engaged in the Cold War. At that time, covert communists, actively working with the KGB, with ever more vigor continued to actively infiltrate key pillars of American society among them are:

1) Mainstream Media/News
2) Education System (all levels, from pre-K through post graduate college)
3) Hollywood
4) Unions
5) The DNC (likely, though to a lesser degree, some aspects of the RNC as well)

Communists are also in place within the us Government, Military, Congress and have occupied the White House in previous administrations. Bear in mind, when I say "Communist" I'm talking about people who have socialist ideas, or people who claim to be progressives these are just terms used to conceal their true game plan. I'm talking about people who actively conspire with KGB operatives to gain access to the highest levels of the US Government and (as mentioned above) key aspects of society with the very specific agenda to destabilize our country, sew chaos and disenfranchise the American people as a whole.

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They have no idea, the evil they are dabbling in.

No. They know very well what they are doing. Believe me, they're not "dabbling". For the past 70 odd years, they have been infiltrating, planning, teaching and biding their time. Their system is very well planned from the highest levels. Bernie Sanders, Nancy Pelosi, AOC, Bloomberg, Soros, etc. They are communists. There are video tapes of Sanders and others actively meeting with KGB operatives. Video of Putin whispering into Hillary's ear. The list goes on.

BLM, ANTIFA, LGBQ+TFABFPRR, LMNOP, EIEIO, (Insert new radical group of the week HERE) are ALL groups specifically engineered to sew discord and doubt in our history, traditions & elected officials. While members of these groups may not individually interface directly with the KGB, you can certainly bet their financiers and directors are and have been doing so for a long time. In the 60s, we had the Black Panthers, Weather Underground, etc. The goals are the same, many of the financiers and managers are the same, only the names have changed.

Keep in mind, none of these BLM, ANTIFA social social activists (i.e. rioters) are the actual problem. They are just mindless drones of those who enable them, billionaires and the Deep State.

What we're dealing with here is good old fashioned communism courtesy of the USSR which has been in place (and growing) for a long time. Hiding in plain sight, right under our noses all this time. We only thought the Cold War was over when the Berlin wall came down.

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Originally posted by esdunbar:
I have a few cans of bear spray that I keep in my truck now. Non lethal and good against crowds.

I really think we’re getting very close to a mass casualty incident. I would definitely feel my life was in danger of someone closed in on my space like that and was shouting at me.

I think there is a pretty decent chance we could see a gun battle in Kenosha, WI tonight. Last night you had a few good guys with guns protecting businesses and confronting rioters. Tonight the rioters will be back and some may come ready to press the issue further.

There is a Facebook group being used to organize local citizens to protect property and businesses in Kenosha. The last time I saw it there were over 400 who had indicated they would participate. When rioters start to class with armed citizens, without defined ROE, things could escalate very quickley.

https://twitter.com/bvoice_p/s...380007656562697?s=09

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Originally posted by TXJIM:
There is a Facebook group being used to organize local citizens to protect property and businesses in Kenosha. The last time I saw it there were over 400 who had indicated they would participate. When rioters start to class with armed citizens, without defined ROE, things could escalate very quickley.

While it would be refreshing to see Joe Citizen issue ass-kickings, the reality is a large mental threshold would have to take place. The blm/anifa types have been agitating for these days for years, marches, rallies, meetings, monthly demonstrations, etc. The last 3+ months, they've been vandalizing, creating havoc and assaulting people for over 3+ months with impunity; very little govt interference, police have been told to back away and prosecutors have chosen to not charge, while mayors and civic leaders attempt to contextualize and excuse the behavior.

Joe Citizen needs a large threshold to cross, the approval of their loved ones to go out stop the mob. Many small business owners have reached that point, will their friends help them out, because the government apparently isn't interested.

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Originally posted by corsair:
Joe Citizen needs a large threshold to cross, the approval of their loved ones to go out stop the mob. Many small business owners have reached that point, will their friends help them out, because the government apparently isn't interested.

These first real citizen resistors will likely set the tone for others in other cities. It could be the start of an avalanche of similar skirmishes to save towns and cities, at least parts of them. We have seen Antifa run just from being run at in Portland, when the police rushed them through a smoke screen. I believe almost any resistance will rob them of initiative, especially if it is seen in multiple cities.

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BLM Protesters In DC Harass Diners Who Refuse To Raise A Fist In Salute

This guy speaks the truth.

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Originally posted by sigalert:
In a major Metro area like that, is calling 911 a viable option?

Is that a serious question? If it is, no that is not an option.

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Originally posted by mbinky:
This guy speaks the truth.

Never hit square in the nose (or at all) would likely be the truth. Correctamundo.

That video, standing and screaming. I couldn't help noticing the dude standing almost up against the woman who was seated and not holding up a stupid fist in submission. He was so freaking vulnerable. In the video he is standing there screaming. Had this woman had been so inclined, she could very well have held a table knife right under this kid's balls and any complaint from him could be met by pointed pressure at that most vulnerable spot.

Or she could have simply grabbed him by the jewels and demanded he apologize and withdraw.
Not that I fault her, but it would have been gratifying to see that on video across the nation.

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Originally posted by sigalert:
In a major Metro area like that, is calling 911 a viable option?

It's an option, yes. It's not a viable option, but it is an option.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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So as a diner, what are your options if someone is shouting in your face and will not leave you alone? Can you forcibly wrestle them to the ground, after telling them to leave?

I would say F*** Off!
... And just keep walking.

Loud mouth: "If you won't raise your arm to support us you're a trump voter."
Me: "You're damn right I am asshole. Now hit the road before the road hits you."

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Originally posted by owenbright:

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Originally posted by c1steve:
Unfortunatly I am not a walk away type, it's just not in my DNA.

If the screamer will not leave, I would suspect it is in your right to do a takedown and possibly citizen's arrest. If others come to the scream's aid and attack you, you do have a right to defend your self.

I would think that you would not be the agressor, but if the person is only screaming, you might be considered the aggressor.

This depends on where you are.
In my state (Illinois), you have to be an "innocent party" (their definition). In this scenario, you'd have engaged the turd by taking him down, which could make you "not innocent."

Hope you live in a better place.

Then pull up hard on that arm you have chicken winged behind his back until you hear and feel a huge 'pop', then address the new attacker(s).

I just saw that video from DC. It’s a real shame that no one fought back. It’s going to get bloody. It has to. This shot won’t stop until a lot of blood flows.

The blm bunch has no idea what it’s like to be in pain. They need to start to feel it.

I don’t go anywhere without a pistol and my benchmade.

It’s just not realistic to go anywhere without being armed.

According to a buddy of mine from my previous job who lives in Paddock Lake, WI (about half an hour west of Kenosha) and around 20 minutes from where I live) there are rumors that caravans of the rioters heading to his area tonight. Apparently because rich people live in that area? I’m not familiar with the area myself.

In response, a Wisconsin militia is gathering up and also heading to the area. Businesses are preparing for the bullshit tonight as well. I can’t confirm any of this myself...just going off what my friend told me just a bit ago.