^^
Makes sense, doesn't it?.
Don't like hearing about the police arresting people or getting in shootings, just get rid of the police.
What could go wrong?

Let's watch and see where this works out better, Florida or Seattle.

Some time (years) ago, I read a comment here that the police don’t prevent crimes, they merely respond to complaints and take reports to satisfy the insurance claims.

The comment was not challenged or otherwise remarked upon at the time and I don’t take notes about people who say stupid things here so I can point them out later. I remember it clearly, though, and wonder now if he still believes that the police have no effect on preventing crime as we’re seeing the effects of some jurisdictions trying to turn themselves into third world cesspits by prohibiting traditional police activities.

Firebomb throwers should be carefully identified and shot while in the act.

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Originally posted by RichardC:
Firebomb throwers should be carefully identified and shot while in the act.

Riot Shotgun
#8 shot shells
Hand thrown reactive targets

It's a new game full of stupid prizes

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Originally posted by RichardC:
Firebomb throwers should be carefully identified and shot while in the act burned at the stake.

I know it won't happen in this universe, but I do wonder how it worked in alternate ones.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Some time (years) ago, I read a comment here that the police don’t prevent crimes, they merely respond to complaints and take reports to satisfy the insurance claims.

The comment was not challenged or otherwise remarked upon at the time and I don’t take notes about people who say stupid things here so I can point them out later. I remember it clearly, though, and wonder now if he still believes that the police have no effect on preventing crime as we’re seeing the effects of some jurisdictions trying to turn themselves into third world cesspits by prohibiting traditional police activities.

I'm not sure what this comment is trying to accomplish? Someone on SigForum, some time ago, made a silly comment, which is now attributed to a person, and the community let it pass, and now it bears bringing up because....

I would find it hard to believe that opinion lasted very long outside of the thread in which the comment was made, given the overwhelming support for the existence of Law Enforcement, and application thereof, this forum has exhibited for my time here. And besides, that seems to ignore the massive outcry any denigration of law enforcement receives around these parts. Every time.

I'm not arguing it didn't happen. I'm curious as to whether I'm to feel a certain way, or be angry at a ghost of comment's past?

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Some time (years) ago, I read a comment here that the police don’t prevent crimes, they merely respond to complaints and take reports to satisfy the insurance claims.

Context matters.

I've said to (traffic related) clients that "The police are just name-takers for the Judge." That's not meant to be disparaging or anti-police but to remind the clients that they shouldn't argue with or be disrespectful if they disagree with the police. We can fight it out later in Court.

Yes, a lack of police will lead to a break-down of civil society. But the police can't be everywhere at once. So, more often than not, they can't prevent an individual from committing a crime. Which is why self-defense is so important.

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Originally posted by Veeper:
I'm curious as to whether I'm to feel a certain way ...?

Well, then, take it as the question I asked: Does anyone reading it still believe that the police don’t prevent crimes by their actions? Don’t recent, and not-so-recent events like the ones in Ferguson or Baltimore demonstrate what happens in societies when the laws are enforced poorly or not at all and the actions of the police are based more on the shifting winds of politics rather than the laws themselves?

A question isn’t supposed to make anyone feel a certain way, but rather—if they are interested, of course—to answer if it applies to them or at least to ponder when posed on a discussion forum like this one. And I don’t know how many members here share the belief that police don’t prevent crimes, but I suspect it’s more than the one who had the courage of his convictions to post it here. If I am correct, then one of the purposes of my comment was to give them something to think about.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Seattle pays ex-pimp $150,000 to offer ‘alternatives to policing’

I don't care what anyone says, this is straight up hilarious. The Dems are using the movie "Idiocracy" as a strategy!

Officer Collins: "We did, however have to come to an arrangement with her pimp. A gentleman who goes by the name Upgrayedd. Which he spells thusly, with two D's, as he says, "for a double dose of this pimping."

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I don't care what anyone says, this is straight up hilarious. The Dems are using the movie "Idiocracy" as a strategy!

This may be setting the bar a little high IMHO.

Reap what you sow, liberal fucktard voters of Seattle...

feel sorry for our conservative American brethren swept affected by all this idiocy...

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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“Everyone in our city deserves to feel safe in their community," Gonzalez said.

And what you're doing, you ridiculous moron, will insure people will never feel or be safe again. Welcome to third world status Seattle.

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
^^
Makes sense, doesn't it?.
Don't like hearing about the police arresting people or getting in shootings, just get rid of the police.
What could go wrong?

Let's watch and see where this works out better, Florida or Seattle.

What do you think has been going on in Chicago and New York.
First, look at the politics- District/States Attorneys, Mayors and Judges. All worshipping at the sjw alter.

NYPD disbanded their "Anti-Crime" unit.
Chicago dismantled and "redistributed" our Narcotics Unit.

Let me see... Those units are responsible for not only arrests, but CONVICTIONS. But you can't have that! And I quote Toni Preckwinkle, runner up for Chicagos mayor in the last election, and current Cook Co board president: "Too many black and brown people in jail".

So what did we do to make sure too many black and brown people DONT go to jail? Get rid of the units that are arresting them.

Let's talk about budgets-
Guess who's broke, and about to go broke?
Chicago and New York...
Guess who costs money?
Police Departments.

With Officers (and not just in NY and Chgo) retirement rates sky high right now, and not a lot of qualified people that want to take the job, and not a lot of money in budgets... Looks like "de facto" defunding... Departments all over are going to be short manpower, and cities won't or can't replace them.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
[/FLASH_VIDEO]

I was just going to post this video. It has one of the best descriptions of the event, best quality video, and angles that were not previously shown/posted.

Well worth the 11 min watch.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
[/FLASH_VIDEO]

I was just going to post this video. It has one of the best descriptions of the event, best quality video, and angles that were not previously shown/posted.

Well worth the 11 min watch.

This is the video released yesterday by Kyle Rittenhouse' defense team/group FightBack.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
It has one of the best descriptions of the event, best quality video, and angles that were not previously shown/posted.

Well worth the 11 min watch.

Yes, it does; and yes, it is.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

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Originally posted by Veeper:
I'm curious as to whether I'm to feel a certain way ...?

Well, then, take it as the question I asked: Does anyone reading it still believe that the police don’t prevent crimes by their actions? Don’t recent, and not-so-recent events like the ones in Ferguson or Baltimore demonstrate what happens in societies when the laws are enforced poorly or not at all and the actions of the police are based more on the shifting winds of politics rather than the laws themselves?

A question isn’t supposed to make anyone feel a certain way, but rather—if they are interested, of course—to answer if it applies to them or at least to ponder when posed on a discussion forum like this one. And I don’t know how many members here share the belief that police don’t prevent crimes, but I suspect it’s more than the one who had the courage of his convictions to post it here. If I am correct, then one of the purposes of my comment was to give them something to think about.

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belief that police don’t prevent crimes,

FWIW I never said that and don't believe that. I know your comment was general and I'm going to comment on it in a general sense I just wanted to make that clear before someone assumes something about this post.

I think the rise is a crime is more a shift in political agendas then police not wanting to prevent crime. Politicians in some places are making it extremely difficult to enforce laws and thus prevent crime. When criminals realize that that they can get away with committing crimes they are going to commit more crimes. You will never stop all crime but there is a group of people that have no issue hurting others either by violence or theft but are kept somewhat in check knowing they do not want to give up their freedom and spend time in jail. As the threat of consequents goes down crime is going up.

More on police preventing crimes. Again of course they do prevent crime but expecting a police officer to be standing near you when someone decides to rob or hurt you is foolish. Just like thinking because you have taken a defensive driving class you don't need to wear a seat belt. Everyone should take steps to protect themselves and their property. We should also support our LEO by giving them the tools to do there job. Those tools are both gear and equipment and also support by judges, politicians, and the public that is willing to deal with the bad elements.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
It has one of the best descriptions of the event, best quality video, and angles that were not previously shown/posted.

Well worth the 11 min watch.

Yes, it does; and yes, it is.

I just tried it and it will not play. Doesn't say it was taken off, it just says it may be offensive to some viewers. But it wont play. Searched the title on BitChute but it's not on there.

Good luck in Louisville!

Try this: Rittenhouse video

https://videos.dailymail.co.uk...1695164543909156.mp4

Before my point is missed by a wider margin, I don’t know what planet someone would have had to have come from in the last 24 hours to still think that the police can prevent all crimes or even specific crimes such as assault or robbery against an individual at a particular moment in time. That would be a ridiculous notion, and even one that the Supreme Court addressed by saying that the police don’t have an obligation to individuals in specific incidents. So yes, we as individuals should recognize that we are largely responsible for our own safety and security, to include being armed when appropriate.

My comment was about “crimes” in general within a society. There are countless examples around the world of societies in which the police are ineffective and/or corrupt and therefore don’t do much to prevent crimes in general. They are usually very dangerous places to live if one cannot afford to buy enhanced private protection or to buy off the criminals. And those are the places I suggest that people who advocate eliminating or even downsizing the police on principle go and live to see how they like the idea in practice.