"Stop, drop, and roll"....

The soundtrack makes it.

I like This angle.

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BTW, what's with the freakin' umbrellas?

He's a good video showing one of the uses.

Oh shit. That's going to be the meme of the year right there, I'm calling it now. That high-stepping nitwit just became internet famous and his widdle tootsies probably haven't even stopped smoking yet.

On a sober note: I really, really hope the children stop playing with fire and nobody on our side gets tagged with anything like that. Hope they're wearing Nomex gear, but I'm guessing it's not all that likely.

Those Police Officers who put out the flames on that asshole are far better men than I. Regards 18DAI

Not as bad as a riot but it shows the decay in our society,and lack of respect for the laws and officers. Video at link.

Street racers shutdown SR 167 early Saturday morning and surround responding Trooper. Auburn Washington.

https://komonews.com/news/loca...rly-saturday-morning

Wealthy NYC woman busted in BLM rampage

https://nypost.com/2020/09/05/...sted-in-blm-rampage/



Her father is Markus Kraebber, an Upper East Side child and adolescent psychiatrist who teaches at the Columbia University Department of Psychiatry.

In 2016 the family paid $1.8 million for their 16th-floor apartment on East End Avenue. The family also owns a 1730 home — featuring four fireplaces, according to property listings — in tony Litchfield County, Conn.

But Kraebber has joined in street protests for years before allegedly taking part in Friday night’s march.

She is now facing a maximum of four years prison on her top charge of first-degree riot.

“We don’t have much political power right now, being youths, but this is something we can do,” she told The New York Times in 2014, explaining why she joined a Manhattan rally on behalf of Ferguson, Mo., police-brutality casualty Michael Brown.
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Black Lives Matter protesters smash NYC Starbucks window in stunning video

She was a 14-year-old student at the elite Hunter College HS at the time.

Now, she is a history undergrad at Rice University in Houston, according to her Facebook page — where the most recent photo, from June, shows her grinning ear to ear while holding a goat.

As a member of the Rice Young Democrats, she helped work on Beto O’Rourke’s 2018 failed bid to unseat Sen. Ted Cruz.

She donated $121 to the Rice Young Democrats PAC.

“Does Beto make you feel this way too??? THEN GO VOTE!!!” she captioned a Facebook photo showing her looking up, earnestly, at the candidate.

Clara Kraebber didn’t have much to say when reached by phone at her second home in Connecticut Friday night.

“No — not right now — I don’t want to talk about it,” she said of her arrest.

“This is the height of hypocrisy,” one law enforcement source who was at the protest told The Post.
“This girl should be the poster child for white privilege, growing up on the Upper East Side and another home in Connecticut.

“I wonder how her rich parents feel about their daughter. How would they feel if they graffitied their townhouse?”

YouTube video of ANTIFA attacking pedestrians. What do you do with the guy with the baseball bat? I intend to use this video in my use of force training block..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6igdVh2OoA

What do you do? It doesn't look like a clear-cut situation. Shooting should be a justified response to an impact weapon, but he isn't quite threatening enough. And he's got company.

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YouTube video of ANTIFA attacking pedestrians. What do you do with the guy with the baseball bat? I intend to use this video in my use of force training block..

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What do you do? It doesn't look like a clear-cut situation. Shooting should be a justified response to an impact weapon, but he isn't quite threatening enough. And he's got company.

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YouTube video of ANTIFA attacking pedestrians. What do you do with the guy with the baseball bat? I intend to use this video in my use of force training block..

It's a great video for promoting discussion of both sides of the argument.

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:
YouTube video of ANTIFA attacking pedestrians. What do you do with the guy with the baseball bat? I intend to use this video in my use of force training block..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6igdVh2OoA

Great video. Shows how difficult this is to deal with legally. ANTIFA is smart with their tactics despite the appearance of disorder. If you were to turn and shoot the guy who shoved you to the ground, you’d go to jail (especially in Portland) as the aggressor who should have kept walking. On the other hand, the moment you fall to the ground and Bat man pops your jaw, your face is wrecked for life. This reality forces people to be victims of the mob.

Our best long term way forward is a change in law. If approached by a violent mob, any action you take should be viewed as legal self defense. That would discourage mobs and put responsibility on the assholes who willingly participate in them. But we aren’t there as a society, and right now we are forced to be the victim because there is no legal right answer for how to respond.

Great video, really paints the picture well of what we’re dealing with. If I were in that situation I have no idea what to do.

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Great video. Shows how difficult this is to deal with legally. ANTIFA is smart with their tactics despite the appearance of disorder.

Yep. They have 'training' sessions on how to go right up to the line without crossing it. Once they pushed the guy to the ground, they did indeed cross it. But the PANTY-FA gang KNOW that any retaliation will be vigorously prosecuted by the DA in Portlandistan.

THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE.

Basic Florida Use of Force Statute:

776.012 Use or threatened use of force in defense of person.—

(1) ...SNIP...

(2) A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. A person who uses or threatens to use deadly force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground if the person using or threatening to use the deadly force is not engaged in a criminal activity and is in a place where he or she has a right to be.

Here in Florida, I'd have shot the guy who pushed me to the ground, I'd have shot batboy, and I'd have been prepared to shoot anyone else who didn't promptly retreat, because I would "reasonably believe(s) that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony."

Try that shit here and it will be ON.

ETA: Of course, this is exactly why this shit isn't happening in Central Florida and is happening in Portlandia.

Artie, it says right at the beginning of that statute that deadly force isn’t justified.

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Artie, it says right at the beginning of that statute that deadly force isn’t justified.

Good catch; I quoted the wrong provision. I've fixed it.

For purposes of clarity; being followed and yelled at isn't enough. Being pushed to the ground and repeatedly prodded with the bat in that situation, I believe, would be enough.

A

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What do you do? It doesn't look like a clear-cut situation. Shooting should be a justified response to an impact weapon, but he isn't quite threatening enough. And he's got company.

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YouTube video of ANTIFA attacking pedestrians. What do you do with the guy with the baseball bat? I intend to use this video in my use of force training block..

Bullshit.


The guy with the bat made contact with it at least twice in the first 15 seconds.

The first on the upper arm I might ignore, the second from behind crosses the line, especially give the disparity in terms of people involved with the attacker.

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:

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Originally posted by egregore:
What do you do? It doesn't look like a clear-cut situation. Shooting should be a justified response to an impact weapon, but he isn't quite threatening enough. And he's got company.

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YouTube video of ANTIFA attacking pedestrians. What do you do with the guy with the baseball bat? I intend to use this video in my use of force training block..

It's a great video for promoting discussion of both sides of the argument.

Maybe so. But in Portlandistan and other Dhimwit run crapholds, the 'law' is meaningless. The Mckloskeys clearly had the law on their side. Didn't matter. DA prosecuted them. They can likely afford it. But fighting it would financially ruin most people. And Rittenhouse was CLEARLY defending himself. But the law doesn't matter. DA is prosecuting him for murder. And they set his bail at $2 million. He's 'lucky' in that there are people donating to his defense. But if you have to defend yourself from one of these politically motivated prosecutions, it could cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Maybe even a million.

These prosecutions are intended to send a message. We're supposed to bow down before our ANTIFABLM masters.

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Originally posted by reloader-1:
Artie, it says right at the beginning of that statute that deadly force isn’t justified.

Good catch; I quoted the wrong provision. I've fixed it.

For purposes of clarity; being followed isn't enough. Being pushed to the ground and repeatedly prodded with the bat in that situation, I believe, would be enough.

A

Here is the next paragraph of the statute which addresses justified use of DEADLY force:

(2) A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. A person who uses or threatens to use deadly force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground if the person using or threatening to use the deadly force is not engaged in a criminal activity and is in a place where he or she has a right to be.

Florida identifies forcible felonies in 776.08:

776.08 Forcible felony.—“Forcible felony” means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.


Also relevant is Chapter 782

782.02 Justifiable use of deadly force.—The use of deadly force is justifiable when a person is resisting any attempt to murder such person or to commit any felony upon him or her or upon or in any dwelling house in which such person shall be.

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Originally posted by egregore:
What do you do? It doesn't look like a clear-cut situation. Shooting should be a justified response to an impact weapon, but he isn't quite threatening enough. And he's got company.

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YouTube video of ANTIFA attacking pedestrians. What do you do with the guy with the baseball bat? I intend to use this video in my use of force training block..

Correct legal response? Probably exactly what they did.

What the boiling blood yearns for? Fire up a crew served weapon and turn the whole mob into a red mess on the pavement.

Sadly, however tempting that may be, the very best response is what neither Kyle Rittenhouse nor these guys did - Don’t be there. As much as I feel for the good people in Portland, stay away and let them either destroy it completely or grow up and change their politics. The same is true of a number of areas in my home state of CA. Sad, but it is what it is.

@HayesGreener: If this is one of the videos described in this article https://www.americanpartisan.o...ntifa-reality-check/ posted by dewhorse on page 148, the miscreants had pepper sprayed the pedestrians and were using industrial strobe lights on them. In the absence of laws allowing one to just cut loose on anyone and everyone in a mob when assaulted by a mob, one would be in a very tough spot.

ETA: Yet another really annoying thing about this type of attack is one is basically forced to either (a) Hope they are actually well trained and regulated useful idiots and will just try to harass you enough to get you to shoot them and not full blown nutjobs like the trash taken out by the (deputized) US Marshals in Lacy, WA or (b) start blazing away knowing that you’re in for a hell of a legal fight if you survive the gunfight.