The attorney for Kyle Rittenhouse was just on Tucker Carlson, and basically said what most here already believe. Self defense, period.

Interestingly he also said Kyle was legally open carrying that AR, which as has been earlier stated, was owned by a WI resident, and presumably loaned to Kyle. I'm not sure whether his age is a factor in that statement of legally carrying or not.

Obviously, he's Kyles attorney, so he's going to push the positive aspects of his clients case, sooo...

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“The right-wing group Patriot Prayer and self-proclaimed militia members drove into downtown Portland last night, armed and looking for a fight. Every Oregonian has the right to freely express their views without fear of deadly violence. I will not allow Patriot Prayer and armed white supremacists to bring more bloodshed to our streets.

This goes to show the truth does not matter. These 2 men wearing Patriot Prayer caps were just walking down a street and one was brutally murdered for what he was wearing. This statement from the Governor disgusts me as much as the murder did. I see no way to reason with people like this Governor. I will leave it that.

This is the type of horseshit the left-wing (mainstream) media is pushing. Yahoo is the absolute worst, but they're all insinuating this lie, that everything right wing is wrong and evil. "2 protesters" it says.

I have no words. Being forcibly removed from office is not good enough. Being sent to prison for life is not good enough. Gov brown should be tried, convicted and executed for the lying, cheating traitor that she is and for enabling and endorsing crimes against humanity and the state.

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Originally posted by konata88:
I have no words. Being forcibly removed from office is not good enough. Being sent to prison for life is not good enough. Gov brown should be tried, convicted and executed for the lying, cheating traitor that she is and for enabling and endorsing crimes against humanity and the state.

I still don’t understand why people like this aren’t being held civilly responsible for wrongful death and all the property damage “her people” caused after refusing help from Trump.

Looks like Kenosha is coming under control. And listen closely for the comments regard the number of guns taken from these "peaceful protesters".

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Originally posted by radioman:
Statement from the Governor of Oregon, who has obviously taken sides

For all intents and purposes, she has openly justified the murder of the man on the official Oregon website

Never in my life did I ever think I'd see what is happening in this country.... Actually happen here.

In addition to Radioman's post from Clackamas County Sheriff, here is one for Washington County Sheriff.

Following was tweeted.
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Statement from Sheriff Pat Garrett
Washington County Sheriff Office, Oregon

Monday, August 31,2020

Yesterday, Governor Brown issued a statement asking local law enforcement leaders to provide personnel and resources to assist the Portland Police Bureau (PPB), following Saturday's shooting death that was connected to protests.

As Washington County Sheriff, I commit to support PPB through indirect ways, like analyzing risks associated with social media, air support, assisting with a specific criminal investigation, etc. At this time, I do not plan to send deputies to work directly in Portland. PPB is a terrific partner for public safety, the uncertain legal landscape, the current volatility combined with intense scrutiny on use of force present an unacceptable risk if deputies were deployed directly. Lastly, I support the steps outlined in the Joint Media Release by the Oregon State Sheriff's Association and the Oregon Association of Cief's of Police, and remain committed to work with partners and community leaders towards peace and an end to violence.

Sheriff Pat Garrett
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A bit of color. 2 or 3 years ago, a Washington County Deputy was sue for action in a joint PPB and Washington Count operation in Portland. Washington County Sheriff, in order to protect his deputies, pulled out of a joint mutual direct support agreement that had been in place for a long time.

Portland has been on its way to a police unfriendly area for some time now.

The 3-ring Portland circus continues.

Also - the idiot Portland DA, reiterated in a new conference today, that he would only prosecute serious crimes; Interfering with a Peace office is not one of them. So, the riot's can use passive aggression to interfere to protect active criminal in being able to evade after aggressive action against Police. Asshole.

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Originally posted by oddball:

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Originally posted by radioman:
Statement from the Governor of Oregon, who has obviously taken sides

For all intents and purposes, she has openly justified the murder of the man on the official Oregon website

She can do it, because she has nothing to fear from the electorate in Oregon. When politicians have nothing to fear.....

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Sheriff Pat Garrett

A bit OT, but, no kidding? As in, the guy who shot Billy the Kid?

I wish we could go back to the understand that I might not like what you say, but I'll fight to protect your right to say it.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
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A waitress described of the shock and chaos of the scene: “Everybody started coming running in, and they were in the back in they were shooting. The guys came in the tent and started shooting everybody in the tent,” according to CBS 2.

The tragic incident further begs the question: how is it that a mass shooting in broad daylight goes largely unnoticed on the major networks like CNN or MSNBC?

Oh, the irony is thick on this one...
I just got off the phone with my old partner who's one of the Homicide Detectives on this case.

Soo... It seems that dead guy (black) was eating at the restaurant with a group of his friends (also black) at one table, and some of his acquaintances (black) were at another table.
Dead guy owns a truck. That truck was used in a few burglaries and also in the looting of various stores on the south side and down town during our recent "mostly peaceful protests".
Dead guy's acquaintances seemed to be a little more than upset because they haven't gotten their share of the stolen goods from the protests.
And that's when the gunfight started.



So again, why would any of the major media outlets air this?
It just doesn't fit the narrative...

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Originally posted by Skull Leader:
I wish we could go back to the understand that I might not like what you say, but I'll fight to protect your right to say it.

Too late. The leftists have succeeeded in drawing America into pure tribalism, which is a precursor to war.

We keep discussing this but it's pointless. The only story that will make the large local and national news is "Police shoot black man".

That is it.

Nothing else is getting any air time. If it does, it will be twisted to make the victim look like the aggressor, at the very least that he deserved it

Better be aware of your surroundings, watch your six!

BLM Smash Random White Man in The Head With a Peaceful Brick

https://youtu.be/DekmxknfM6U

Victor Davis Hanson : The cowards of "cancel culture"

From The Hill
https://thehill.com/opinion/cr...ds-of-cancel-culture

Each generation deals with its own manifestations of age-old mob frenzies, bullying and public shaming. Salem, Mass., had its witch trials in the 1690s. The 1950s endured its McCarthyism. And we now are enduring our “cancel culture.”

But 21st-century public shaming reaches not thousands but tens of millions. And it does so instantaneously on the internet and on social media — too often, all under the cloak of masked Twitter handles.

Our generation’s bane is a many-headed hydra of doxing, revenge porn and canceling out the careers of public figures. Smears are predicated on the assumption that those targeted will panic; they will apologize and seek penance, reducing themselves to timid careerists and fawning toadies. The aim is electronic Trotskyization — making one disappear from computer screens as if they had never existed.

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Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson is now the mob’s latest target.

His sin?

In our times of urban riot, arson, looting and violence, Carlson noted that Kenosha, Wis., had “devolved into anarchy because the authorities in charge of the city abandoned it. People in charge, from the governor of Wisconsin on down, refused to enforce the law.”

That was a factual statement. It was not just his own personal observation. Carlson’s point was borne out both by the furor of the anti-police protesters who quickly screamed for help when hurt, and by those who took up arms to protect stores when no police were to be found.

But what put Carlson’s neck in the mob’s noose was his further observation about the police: “They stood back and they watched Kenosha burn. So are we really surprised that looting and arson accelerated to murder? How shocked are we that 17-year-olds with rifles decided they had to maintain order when no one else would?”

Note that Carlson was simply repeating an age-old adage that when the police do not hold a monopoly on the use of force, others less trained, often more unsavory, fill that void. Therefore, we should not become suddenly shocked that pre-adults convince themselves that they are needed to protect businesses as general lawlessness escalates on its way to murder.

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Again, Carlson’s point was not to condone the 17-year-old shooter — a criminal court will adjudicate his innocence or guilt. Carlson simply noted that both the teenager and those he shot are the tragic results when supposed adults in the room — governors, mayors, district attorneys, police chiefs — fail to guarantee the civic rights and tranquility of American citizens. Does anyone watching the last three “summer of love” months believe authorities have protected small businesses and kept the calm in Portland, Seattle, Chicago or Kenosha?

Almost immediately the Twitter global throng mobilized to equate Carlson with the shooter himself, to render Carlson not just untenable as a news anchor but toxic to his advertisers. Or, as a former Obama official tweeted, “Tucker straight up endorsing vigilante murder on the show tonight. What advertisers are still ok with this?”

Note how the pack has not only tried and convicted Carlson as an abettor to murder. The horde also has prejudged the shooter as a murderer — before a court has even heard evidence of whether he was attacked and, in panic, shot in self-defense, or instead gratuitously killed without need.

How ironic that the Twitter mob deplores vigilantism yet its brand is an electronic lynching without weighing evidence or cross-examination — all from the safety of their smartphones.

Carlson’s mob knows all this.

But they also assume that their scatter-gun tactics of character defamation usually work — although, recently, a variety of intellectuals and writers such as J.K. Rowling, Steven Pinker or Yale classics professor Joshua Katz have said “no” and scattered the mob. And this election year, Carlson is a big target, given his growing cable news audience and his often-scorching commentaries about the past three months of escalating urban violence.

The cancel culture feels that if it can take out Carlson, it can wound its old nemesis, Fox News, and send a warning to any other journalists who dare argue that blue-state officials are either oblivious to the dangers of unchecked rioting or see it as apparently useful in this contentious election year.

Part of the intensity of venom shown Carlson reflects Democratic fears that the news cycle is changing. Polls suggest that keeping mum about the silence is backfiring politically.

The recent warnings from Nancy Pelosi that presidential campaign debates should be cancelled, from Hillary Clinton that Joe Biden should not concede even if defeated, and from CNN’s Don Lemon that it’s time for Democrats to condemn the violence, all reflect the fears of the mob as it lashes out.

Target Carlson is not alone, of course. This same week, social justice warriors took out a University of Southern California business professor for a lecture on cross-cultural speech patterns. His crime? Professor Greg Patton cited a Chinese word (na ge) for “that,” which to the outraged seemed similar in sound to an American racial slur.

Professor Patton was quickly unplugged from his virtual classroom by the officious dean of the USC business school, for the apparent thought crime of supposedly employing a coded slur.

Anyone who watched Patton’s classroom video knows that such a charge is an outright lie. The slur was similar to the late 1990s’ Salem witch-style epidemic of destroying the careers of any bureaucrats who had once naively used the ancient English adverb “niggardly” (meaning “stingily” or “greedily”) that linguistically has nothing to do with the N-word.

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We have not just created millions of bored, ignorant online scolds but, rather, sleepless and vicious character assassins. They notch their smartphones with the names of their victims.

How ironic that, as bullies, they melt away when called out, while destroying the very institutions of tolerance and free speech they, too, will miss when the mob devours its own — as it eventually always does.

Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, a historian and author of more than 20 books, including “The Second World Wars: How the First Global Conflict Was Fought and Won” (2017), and an occasional unpaid on-air guest of Fox News. Follow him on Twitter @VDHanson.

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Originally posted by icom706:

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Originally posted by oddball:

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Originally posted by radioman:
Statement from the Governor of Oregon, who has obviously taken sides

For all intents and purposes, she has openly justified the murder of the man on the official Oregon website

She can do it, because she has nothing to fear from the electorate in Oregon. When politicians have nothing to fear.....

I read something a year or two ago, and I think it might have been here on SigForum.

I can't recall it verbatim, but it was something like: It's not so much that power corrupts absolutely, it's the unaccountability or immunity for their actions. I think it might have been when the FBI was absolutely out of control a few years ago. Sorry, that's the best I can recall the message, but it makes perfect sense to me.

If she knows and believes she can get away with this, with no repercussion, that's the problem. Between the mainsteam media, corrupt governors, mayors and DA's and judges, they just do what they want and nothing gets done to reign them in.
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Chris Cillizza of CNN:

"To hear Trump and his allies tell it, the situations unfolding in Portland, Oregon, and Kenosha, Wisconsin, in response to several high-profile shootings by the police of Black men is rioting, plain and simple."

“In the strongest possible terms the Republican Party condemns the rioting, looting, arson and violence we have seen in Democrat-run cities all, like Kenosha, Minneapolis, Portland, Chicago and New York, many others, Democrat-run,” Trump said in his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention last week. “There’s violence and danger in the streets of many Democrat-run cities throughout America.”

At a rally in New Hampshire Friday night, Trump went even further. “You know what I say about protesters? Protesters, your ass,” he said. “I don’t talk about my ass. They’re not protesters, those are anarchists, they’re agitators, they’re rioters, they’re looters.”

Trump’s efforts to label what is happening in major cities as “riots” speaks at least somewhat to his desperation, politically speaking, at the moment."

https://hotair.com/archives/jo...ling-protests-riots/

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"rioting, plain and simple" should have stopped there

"At a rally in New Hampshire Friday night, Trump went even further. “You know what I say about protesters? Protesters, your ass,” he said. “I don’t talk about my ass. They’re not protesters, those are anarchists, they’re agitators, they’re rioters, they’re looters.”

He's freaking awesome^