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Originally posted by tgtshuter:
Might as well say "he died doing what he loved".

Not sure trying to spread the word of God can be compared to jumping off a cliff or bridge.

He hopefully wasn't doing this for a thrill but that he felt compelled by his savior to do this.

And I have a different take too.
He was an IDIOT. Gene pool; just a bit cleaner.

Pretty sure I would have turned around after the first volley of arrows, but that's just me.

"tribesmen had shot arrows at him and that he had retreated. He apparently tried several more times to reach the island over the next two days"

maybe he didn't have enough IQ to process the situation.... correctly.

My girlfriend told me the story told to her by her Pastor's wife. When the Pastor's wife was a child she lived in islands (girlfriend thinks it was Haiti) where her daddy was a missionary.
She said there was unrest and the locals that had become Christians came to them and told them they had to leave that some faction was coming after them.
She said they told them they had no time and had to leave then. So the local Christians were taking them through the jungle to get on a boat and her daddy heard noise and went back to check and told them to hurry to the boat.

She said that they reached the boat and looked back at the shore and said the group and they had killed her daddy and had his head on a spike.
She told my girlfriend she passed out and when she woke up she was on a ship. She would be right at 100 years old now and she was a small girl then.

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Originally posted by charlie12:
My girlfriend told me the story told to her by her Pastor's wife. When the Pastor's wife was a child she lived in islands (girlfriend thinks it was Haiti) where her daddy was a missionary.
She said there was unrest and the locals that had become Christians came to them and told them they had to leave that some faction was coming after them.
She said they told them they had no time and had to leave then. So the local Christians were taking them through the jungle to get on a boat and her daddy heard noise and went back to check and told them to hurry to the boat.

She said that they reached the boat and looked back at the shore and said the group and they had killed her daddy and had his head on a spike.
She told my girlfriend she passed out and when she woke up she was on a ship. She would be right at 100 years old now and she was a small girl then.

Mission work is dangerous.

There is a guy that I used to work with who goes down to Mexico with a church group to build houses for the poor. I keep telling him they love to kidnap gringos down there and stuff them into 55 gallon drums. He does not seem to worried and I truly beleives he feels called on to do this work.

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me as there is all sorts of volunteer work to be done in the states, but I guess that is not his calling.

Sad the woman in your story had to see her father like that.

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Originally posted by lbj:
My take on this is apparently different from ohter posts.

I don't think he was all that crazy if one believes the Bible.
He lived it by going there.

So he died, so what.
If he died in service to the Lord, he secured his spot in the afterlife doing the Lord's work.

I don't think most of us including me have the ability to put in all on the line for Christ.

He did.

I get what you're saying but... would you have been so adoring of him had he introduced something like measles or chicken pox to the tribe in the name of Christ? IMHO he was a short sighted, self centered, asshole that was trying to make up for some of his own "transgressions against Christ".

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It was a “misplaced adventure,’’ said Dependra Pathak, the police chief in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands.

A bit of an understatement, yes?

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Originally posted by highroundcount:
This is understandable given their history with outsiders. He took his chances and I hope the kill was fast and he did not suffer.

The problem I have is the tribe killing off people that end up there by accident. Those fishermen in 2006 didn't even intend to be there and they got whacked right away.

We don’t know how ravaged their immunities have been with disease on the few and limited contacts they’ve had with the outside. On that premise alone, and the fact that they buried those dudes on the beach, far away from their community, I can’t say I have a problem with it. They know the outside world exists and they’ve decided they want nothing to do with it. I’m inclined to honor their wishes to be left alone, personally. Disease can arrive by accident or by intent, but they come with outside people regardless of their intentions.

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Originally posted by Bytes:

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Originally posted by lbj:
My take on this is apparently different from ohter posts.

I don't think he was all that crazy if one believes the Bible.
He lived it by going there.

So he died, so what.
If he died in service to the Lord, he secured his spot in the afterlife doing the Lord's work.

I don't think most of us including me have the ability to put in all on the line for Christ.

He did.

I get what you're saying but... would you have been so adoring of him had he introduced something like measles or chicken pox to the tribe in the name of Christ? IMHO he was a short sighted, self centered, asshole that was trying to make up for some of his own "transgressions against Christ".

We don’t know that he didn’t, at this point. Change your question from the past tense to the present for a startlingly acute argument, and the biggest reason that visiting these people is verboten. He very well might have, all honorable intentions aside. If half of the tribe drops dead in the next few months, then he did little to advance God’s cause with the tribe, as they’ll be even less welcoming of the next person to make any to attempt to make contact.

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Originally posted by Dusty78:
...he had written that Jesus had bestowed him with the strength to go to the most forbidden places on Earth.

...and die.

Dumbass.

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Originally posted by lbj:
My take on this is apparently different from ohter posts.

I don't think he was all that crazy if one believes the Bible.
He lived it by going there.

So he died, so what.
If he died in service to the Lord, he secured his spot in the afterlife doing the Lord's work.

I don't think most of us including me have the ability to put in all on the line for Christ.

He did.

I'm going to side with you. This guy isn't the first and won't be the last.

End of the Spear: The True Story

I sometimes envy those whose faith is so strong.

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:
I sometimes envy those whose faith is so strong.

"Faith is believing what your common sense knows ain't so" not sure who said that but it's the truth. Above all God (if you believe in that) wants you to live a long life faithful to him. He does not want you to waste your life in his name. This is basically suicide. Not looked upon favorably in the Christian light.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by highroundcount:
This is understandable given their history with outsiders. He took his chances and I hope the kill was fast and he did not suffer.

The problem I have is the tribe killing off people that end up there by accident. Those fishermen in 2006 didn't even intend to be there and they got whacked right away.

I truly understand where you are coming from.

But if they are worried about disease and such why would they get close enough to tie a rope around his neck and/or bury him? This exposes them , and then they bring it back to the tribe.

Just plug him on the beach and let him be. That way no close contact and the outsiders can come get his body.

Now they risk outsiders coming in and searching/asking for his body back.

Happy Thanksgiving all.

Suicide by primitive natives.

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Originally posted by highroundcount:

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by highroundcount:
This is understandable given their history with outsiders. He took his chances and I hope the kill was fast and he did not suffer.

The problem I have is the tribe killing off people that end up there by accident. Those fishermen in 2006 didn't even intend to be there and they got whacked right away.

I truly understand where you are coming from.

But if they are worried about disease and such why would they get close enough to tie a rope around his neck and/or bury him? This exposes them , and then they bring it back to the tribe.

Just plug him on the beach and let him be. That way no close contact and the outsiders can come get his body.

Now they risk outsiders coming in and searching/asking for his body back.

Happy Thanksgiving all.

I highly doubt their understanding of disease is any more evolved beyond “outside people bring death.” They may have their own gods and reasonably correlate plague and sickness with the gods being angered that they let invaders past the beach. Who knows?

I’m sure we could eventually come to some reasonable understanding with these people after much effort and heartache and death, but at this point, I think probably the best thing is to just leave them the hell alone, which is clearly what they want.

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Originally posted by lbj:
My take on this is apparently different from ohter posts.

I don't think he was all that crazy if one believes the Bible.
He lived it by going there.

So he died, so what.
If he died in service to the Lord, he secured his spot in the afterlife doing the Lord's work.

I don't think most of us including me have the ability to put in all on the line for Christ.

He did.

Thank you for being a better person than me. Your post says it better than all of the ones I have deleted. Happy Thanksgiving.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:

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Originally posted by highroundcount:

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by highroundcount:
This is understandable given their history with outsiders. He took his chances and I hope the kill was fast and he did not suffer.

The problem I have is the tribe killing off people that end up there by accident. Those fishermen in 2006 didn't even intend to be there and they got whacked right away.

I truly understand where you are coming from.

But if they are worried about disease and such why would they get close enough to tie a rope around his neck and/or bury him? This exposes them , and then they bring it back to the tribe.

Just plug him on the beach and let him be. That way no close contact and the outsiders can come get his body.

Now they risk outsiders coming in and searching/asking for his body back.

Happy Thanksgiving all.

I highly doubt their understanding of disease is any more evolved beyond “outside people bring death.” They may have their own gods and reasonably correlate plague and sickness with the gods being angered that they let invaders past the beach. Who knows?

I’m sure we could eventually come to some reasonable understanding with these people after much effort and heartache and death, but at this point, I think probably the best thing is to just leave them the hell alone, which is clearly what they want.

You know, I didn't even think about it from that point of view. It's possible that they felt once they ended him they were safe. Their god or deity was satisfied there would be no more danger.

Happy Thanksgiving all.

I agree. I’m pretty sure if he was Muslim more people would have our sentiment.

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Originally posted by FN in MT:
And I have a different take too.
He was an IDIOT. Gene pool; just a bit cleaner.

The tribe hasn’t had any good experiences with outsiders. They have learned not to trust.

We outsiders are well aware of the threat of disease

“Introduced diseases are the biggest killer of isolated tribal people, who have not developed immunity to viruses such as influenza, measles and chicken pox that most other societies have been in contact with for hundreds of years.

In Peru, more than 50% of the previously-uncontacted Nahua tribe were wiped out following oil exploration on their land in the early 1980s, and the same tragedy engulfed the Murunahua in the mid-1990s after being forcibly contacted by illegal mahogany loggers.”

This idiot could easily have brought in a common disease that would devastate the tribe. I’m sure he’d have the “Frank Burns” thinking. “God’s will or somebody else’s fault.”