Just rereading the OP’ers account of events, sounds very reasonable, the shooting.

Some dogs are more barkers, not coming in for the bite. One has to evaluate where you are, yours, theirs, or neutral ground.

I can normally handle aggressive dogs without shooting. Years ago in GA I had two dogs I wanted gone, one shot in the ground nearby sent them away. They never attacked me, my back property.

There is a difference from the annoyance to an attack & bite.

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DOGS ARE NOT PEOPLE

I'm gonna leave this one here...


Pablo Escobar’s ‘cocaine hippos’ are legally people, U.S. court rules

An animal is an animal. If it attacks human being it needs to be put down. Granted the same could be said for a human attacking another human unprovoked.

I came really close to having to shoot a dog in a small village in Northern Iraq, luckily a woman grabbed the dog at the last moment. I don't ever want to have to shoot an animal, I'm glad the dog will survive and that you're OK as well.

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Originally posted by goose5:
My goodness you are light years ahead of most of us here. A new member with under 200 posts suggested a defensive shoot. On a dog. I've been carrying for 10 years now and never once encountered a situation causing me to draw my gun. Many of you have carried many more years than me, and not once ever encountered a situation resulting in a draw. Not buying it. Fiction is a wonderful thing isn't it?

This forum has members who registered more than twenty years ago, who visit not infrequently, and who have never posted, not even one single time. Some people want only to read forums such as this. I can't fault anyone who doesn't want to wade into this ocean full of sharks.

We have longtime members who post infrequently, perhaps once or twice every four or five years.

And we have members like the OP, who begin to post after many years. I've looked at his posts and he appears legit. Its not a hijacked account, not a grandson using dead grandpa's credentials. His IP address traces to where he tells us he is.

He may be lying, there's always that possibility. I find that people lie about just about anything, including the most mundane things. There's no accounting for it, except to say it's part of human nature; it comes along with the ability to communicate via written and spoken language.

His story strikes me as the truth. It's not overly dramatic or excessively long in the telling. The dog didn't die, which, I would think would be a detail included in any such false story. If you ask me why he posted this here, I'd suggest looking at the last line of his first post. I, myself, would be concerned about my safety if I shot a neighbor's dog, and so would you.

goose5, if ever you have concerns that a member is posting falsehoods, the way to handle it is to use the report-this-post function, which appears in the lower right hand corner of every post. The way you shouldn't handle it is to call another member a liar in the open forum, no matter how subtle or clever you think you're being. You may think a member is lying, and if you have proof of such, let me know, and then you can sit back and watch me call them a liar in the open forum, something which I have done more than once over the years, and if it comes to that, I am not gentle about it, and I have no need to be subtle in my accusation. I say to you and every posting member of this forum- Let me handle it.

This is my, fortunately, dog non-shooting incident from Monday evening, the 1st. After work I perused SF per wont, including this thread. After that the wife and I went out for the evening stroll. About a month ago there were posts in the neighborhood for a loose/missing doberman. I have not had problems with a doberman in person but when I was growing up in the 70s the doberman had a reputation as the meanest junkyard dog.

Just in case the dog had escaped again I carried the 6946, concealed. Walking on the sidewalk we crossed over to the property of our neigbbor. Then a pitbull ran up on us. My wife is 5 feet tall and about 120 pounds. Caterpillers frighten her. She is chary of chihuahuas. She will not be fending off an attacking pitbull.

The pitbull had run loose from the house across the street to the right. That was a bad surprise. The dog has been a ferocious barker from the backyard. I firmly told the dog to sit. The dog halted then went into that paws forward, head down, tail up posture. AFAIK, with most dogs that is the chase-and-play posture. But why take a chance? So I backed up facing the dog and stayed between the dog and my wife. The immediate goal was to get us back onto our own property. Hopefully the dog would return home because of the distancing.
Fortunately the owner called it back.

About ten years of analysis, questions, and anxiety piled on a split second. Most troublingly, that the dog can run faster than my wife. The dog can overpower my wife. The dog can run faster than me running to protect my wife. The dog may be able to overpower me, even if I have a knife Worse yet, the dog may get loose while my wife is gardening and I am working.

And if I must defend against the pitbull, what consequences? Social shunning, retaliation, legal fees, racist-by-accusation, confiscation, the trauma of my wife, and more? The downside is 99.99%. There is scarce motive to make a false post about this topic.

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Yes, it’s better while having protection of sorts, won’t always work, but I square to the dog, giving body language that you won’t wilt.

Yes, there are some dogs that wouldn’t care, come in anyway. Turning to run or leave can be the wrong course of action. Even standing up to the dog holding an ax handle gets telegraphed.

Just like a human defensive shooting, discharging a gun can open that can of worms. I realize this is a gun forum & we’re Gun owners, still good to have varied tools in the tool bag.

Got me so worked up I may go look for that aggressive dog today.

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Originally posted by 357fuzz:

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Originally posted by gocatgo:
As a pediatric home health RN, I took care of a good number of children with ongoing problems from dog bite wounds. ALL the dogs that had attacked were, you guessed it - Pit Bulls. Not a scientific study by any means but telling. Had a friend that had a “sweet” pit. Raised her from a pup and she had never been mistreated. When she was three years old she jumped the six foot stockade fence and killed an elderly couple’s little yapper. I agree that Pits are demons from
hell.

Yep. Screw that breed of dog. Everyone has their opinion and that is mine of that breed. Have seen some pretty bad attacks on people over the years even helping hold a little girl’s arm and face together w/ pressure bandages until the rescue squads got to her. I’ll let you take a guess on what breed of dogs were involved in these attacks. If you guess one legged miniature poodle w/ a piddle problem you would be wrong.

Both my daughters have been bitten - both by pit bulls. My only bite was from a little ankle biter I shouldn't have turned my back on...

My older brother has a emotional support “service animal” pit bull that he brings EVERYWHERE.

His son in law uses them to hunt hogs, so they have to be fearless and able to fight.

It’s pretty chill around people, but will chase and kill small animals like squirrels and rabbits.

It’s even attacked his goats and chickens. My twin brother’s wife refuses to let it in their house because of the birds. The one time older brother tried to sneak it in to show “how sweet it is”, it went straight for the first cage it saw, tearing at the cage to get the first cockatoo it saw.

Now he’s not even allowed to his house at all in fear that thing will get one of the cockatoos.

NOBODY can convince me they are “sweet” animals.

Yeah, I know a few sweet people with sweet pits. I have also met plenty of hideous owners who raised hideous pits or other dangerous dogs. It's case by case but the people are typically the problem. They sic the dogs on you and are all sad when you protect yourself. Or they want to show you how nice their dog is but the dog is only nice to the owner who cant actually control the dog. Glad you are ok OP. I've had shit neighbors before and feel your pain.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
My older brother has a emotional support “service animal” pit bull that he brings EVERYWHERE.

His son in law uses them to hunt hogs, so they have to be fearless and able to fight.

It’s pretty chill around people, but will chase and kill small animals like squirrels and rabbits.

It’s even attacked his goats and chickens. My twin brother’s wife refuses to let it in their house because of the birds. The one time older brother tried to sneak it in to show “how sweet it is”, it went straight for the first cage it saw, tearing at the cage to get the first cockatoo it saw.

Now he’s not even allowed to his house at all in fear that thing will get one of the cockatoos.

NOBODY can convince me they are “sweet” animals.

Okay, but in fairness, Marzy, if a Macaw could get to 75lbs, that sucker would kill everything it friggin' wanted to....

I investigated a couple dog maulings as well as seeing a number of K9 bites going back years ago. It seems a lot of thugs favor pits. Most folks would be shocked at the amount of damage a dog can do.

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Originally posted by slabsides45:

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
My older brother has a emotional support “service animal” pit bull that he brings EVERYWHERE.

His son in law uses them to hunt hogs, so they have to be fearless and able to fight.

It’s pretty chill around people, but will chase and kill small animals like squirrels and rabbits.

It’s even attacked his goats and chickens. My twin brother’s wife refuses to let it in their house because of the birds. The one time older brother tried to sneak it in to show “how sweet it is”, it went straight for the first cage it saw, tearing at the cage to get the first cockatoo it saw.

Now he’s not even allowed to his house at all in fear that thing will get one of the cockatoos.

NOBODY can convince me they are “sweet” animals.

Okay, but in fairness, Marzy, if a Macaw could get to 75lbs, that sucker would kill everything it friggin' wanted to....

Cici is a 250 gram cockatoo.
It went straight for her cage and snapped at her through the bars.
My wife freaked and my older brother had to drag the dog out of the house.
I got the "she just wanted to play with the chickies" excuse.

So no one, don't kid yourself. You have a time bomb on your hands.
A costly one. No amount of money would have fixed a tragedy.

Those things are bred for fighting and aggression. It's there. Just dormant.

Oh no, I got that in your case this was a cockatoo. I was merely pointing out that a macaw isn't to be trifled with either, and that were they to grow to the size of a pit bull, I might wager for the macaw in that fight, that's all. A bit o' levity there....

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Originally posted by Rev. A. J. Forsyth:
DOGS ARE NOT PEOPLE

No, they are not. Most of them are more honest than people, and a lot of them are kinder than people.

I’m a big fan of dogs, but an attacking dog that can’t be quickly dissuaded with a kick or a wallop may need to be put down. There are plenty of people out there of whom the same could be said, but avoidance seems to be the best policy.

I absolutely love dogs. LOVE em, but like all yall have said, don't feel bad putting one down. Not even gonna touch shitty owners, cause they are everywhere, but growing up on the farm, soon as...

A dog bites,
A mule kicks
A cat gets a taste of a chick,

You're asking for trouble if you don't put em down the first time.

ETA: my dog bit a guy once, who was teasing her. But yall know what I'm talking about when I say bite.

I once observed some people put a Pit into the back of a pickup truck that had a camper shell on it and leave the dog while they ate at a restaurant. Someone walked by with a dog on a leash and the Pit saw them it hit the windows of the camper shell with enough force to partially dislodge it from the truck bed. The Pit eventually broke out the camper shell back window and got out, but fortunately the dog walker heard the noise and made it to safety before the Pit caught up to them. Impressive (and expensive) display of the Pits single minded attack mindset.

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Originally posted by slabsides45:
Okay, but in fairness, Marzy, if a Macaw could get to 75lbs, that sucker would kill everything it friggin' wanted to....

There is one, it's called a Cassowary.