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Originally posted by downtownv:
US Wants Ukraine to Resume Elections This Year: Special Envoy

Hold on one minute there Downtownnv, we've been pumping billions into Ukraine for years to defend their democracy. Are you saying that Ukraine isn't a democracy Well I am shocked, shocked I tell you.

Well Russia has elections and has had them for quite a while.

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Originally posted by Bytes:

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Originally posted by downtownv:
US Wants Ukraine to Resume Elections This Year: Special Envoy

Hold on one minute there Downtownnv, we've been pumping billions into Ukraine for years to defend their democracy. Are you saying that Ukraine isn't a democracy Well I am shocked, shocked I tell you.

Does Ukraine have any obligation to pay the US back for the money and weapons they got from us? If not, can we just offload some of our national debt equal to what they owe us to them?

Does anyone need any more proof than this, that we should have never given even one single penny to this fucking grifter?

Go ahead. Try to defend this.

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1886139022340231313

Lots of rumors about luxury bags, jewelry, automobiles and trips paid for by us taxpayer funds:

https://x.com/RickyDoggin/status/1710826994009813479

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Originally posted by HRK:
Lots of rumors about luxury bags, jewelry, automobiles and trips paid for by us taxpayer funds:

https://x.com/RickyDoggin/status/1710826994009813479

False.

Completely fabricated.

Newsweek is a liberal rag devoid of any factual reporting. Nearly 100 billion dollars is unaccounted for and Zelensky the butcher is buying a $20,000,000 mansion in Florida.

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Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:
Newsweek is a liberal rag devoid of any factual reporting. Nearly 100 billion dollars is unaccounted for and Zelensky the butcher is buying a $20,000,000 mansion in Florida.

Yet there's still no evidence of the shopping spree.

Newsweek is considered far right my SPLC.
Newsweek is FAR more trustworthy than zerohedge and the other far right/russian controlled propaganda sources.

I hadn't heard of the shopping spree until today. If true or false, that isn't on my worry list. I'm a bit more worried about those Ukrainian corrupt, "democracy loving", mother fuckers that can't account for $100,000,000,000. That is a much bigger issue than any shopping spree. Biden had to have known there was corruption, and a lot of it. They hired his crack head son. He was sending Ukraine money right up to the time he stepped down. Did he make any off of it?

If we look at just the money unaccounted for:

$100,000,000,000 / 850,000 KIA Russian troops =~ $117,000 per KIA Russian.

It will go up to about ~$240,000 per KIA Russian when considering total money spent (Europe and US). Is that a good "bang" for the buck?

And to think- this thread was started nearly two years ago. And Zelensky, the Gold Digging Whore, is still in power, still at it with this war.

Zelensky: Trump Talking To Putin About Ukraine Without Us Is 'Very Dangerous'

https://www.zerohedge.com/geop...ut-us-very-dangerous

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky says that Russia and the United States are already talking about how to wind down the Russia-Ukraine war and this is "very dangerous" without Ukraine's direct input.

He said in an Associated Press interview published Saturday, "They may have their own relations, but talking about Ukraine without us — it is dangerous for everyone." Zelensky issued this assessment the day after the Trump White House confirmed that discussions at a "general level" are happening with Moscow and that an in-person meeting between presidents will take place 'soon'.

Speaking in an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, Zelenskyy said Russia does not want to engage in ceasefire talks or to discuss any kind of concessions, which the Kremlin interprets as losing at a time when its troops have the upper hand on the battlefield.

He said U.S. President Donald Trump could bring Russian President Vladimir Putin to the table with the threat of sanctions targeting Russia’s energy and banking system, as well as continued support of the Ukrainian military.

“I think these are the closest and most important steps,” he said in the interview in the Ukrainian capital that lasted for more than an hour.

Zelensky did express openness to eventually entering negotiations with Putin, despite current active legislation which forbids entering direct communication with Moscow so long as Putin is head of state.

But he emphasized Trump and Kiev should be on the same page first. "I believe that, first and foremost, we (must) hold a meeting with him, and that is important. And that is, by the way, something that everyone in Europe wants," Zelensky said, describing this would be based on "a common vision of a quick end to the war."

But importantly, Zelensky defines a key part of this 'common vision' as a path to NATO membership. "I really believe that these are the cheapest security guarantees that Ukraine can get, the cheapest for everyone," he said.

Putin has rejected this as a non-starter, and Trump too knows that negotiations would never get off the ground if this is held to.

Zelensky continued, after the conversation with Trump, "we should move on to some kind of format of conversation with Russians. And I would like to see the United States of America, Ukraine and the Russians at the negotiating table. ... And, to be honest, a European Union voice should also be there. I think it would be fair, effective. But how will it turn out? I don’t know."

He warned against allowing Putin to take "control" of the war of the narrative, but the reality on the ground especially in the east strongly suggests this has already happened.

Zelensky said "It will be a signal that it is not for Russia to decide who should be in NATO and who should not, but for the United States of America to decide. I think this is a great victory for Trump." Zelensky is essentially urging Trump to stand fast on the demand that Ukraine be invited into NATO. Of course, such a scenario could easily trigger WW3.



Zelensky in 2022:

Zelenskiy decree rules out Ukraine talks with Putin as 'impossible'

https://www.reuters.com/world/...possible-2022-10-04/

I wonder what happens if PDJT & Putin come to some sort of agreement on a framework and just tell Zelenskyy to sit down and shut up, this is how it’s going to be. It isn’t like Zelenskyy has a lot of juice in the negotiation.

Biden delivered nearly 200,000,000,000 in cash on pallets in the back of transport aircraft in addition to nearly all of our ammunition and artillery/armor reserves. The fact that several territories freed by Russian forces voted nearly 95% in favor of joining Russia should tell you all you need to know about the Ukranian government. I believe Trump knows who is on the right side in this conflict and I wouldn't be shocked if Zelensky's position is given to Putin. Hopefully the Russians send us some of our money back once they scrape Zelensky's guts off of it.

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Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:
Biden delivered nearly 200,000,000,000 in cash on pallets in the back of transport aircraft in addition to nearly all of our ammunition and artillery/armor reserves. The fact that several territories freed by Russian forces voted nearly 95% in favor of joining Russia should tell you all you need to know about the Ukranian government. I believe Trump knows who is on the right side in this conflict and I wouldn't be shocked if Zelensky's position is given to Putin. Hopefully the Russians send us some of our money back once they scrape Zelensky's guts off of it.

About 4 years ago I hired a Ukrainian DBA (extremely talented FYI) and I've had many conversations with her. Eastern Ukraine (where she's from) relates much more with Russia than their current government. She cares for neither government (thus her a legal immigration to the US) due to corruption and zero chance to "live the dream". This entire situation is a black hole money pit that God willing, President Trump will have us out of there.

Ukraine has received less than half of US assistance allocated during full-scale war, Zelensky says

https://kyivindependent.com/uk...e-war-zelensky-says/

Ukraine has not received even half of the $177 billion the U.S. allocated to support Kyiv throughout the full-scale war, President Volodymyr Zelensky said in an interview with U.S. podcaster Lex Fridman released on Jan. 5.

Zelensky implied that this development may have been linked to corruption or lobbying on the side of U.S. companies. Ukraine's head of state said this in response to Fridman's question about corruption concerns in Ukraine.

The U.S. has become Ukraine's top supporter, providing the largest amount of military assistance to resist Russian aggression. Voices critical of Washington's support have often cited corruption risks and dangers of the illicit arms trade, though U.S. watchdogs have closely monitored the assistance.

While acknowledging corruption in Ukraine, Zelensky said that his country works hard to combat it through the "most complex" anti-corruption system in Europe. He also said that what would be called "corruption" in Ukraine might be called "lobbyism" elsewhere.

"If we had $177 billion and if we get the half, where is the second half? If you find the second half, you will find corruption," Zelensky commented in the wide-ranging three-hour interview.

Zelensky provided an example of him allegedly unsuccessfully appealing to Washington to bring in U.S. arms using Ukraine's own fleet of cargo planes not to pay for the transport.

"No. I didn't get this opportunity. My jets stayed put, and the U.S. jets, cargo jets moved these weapons. But everywhere you have to spend money," Zelensky added, saying that Ukraine could have spent this money to buy more arms instead of paying for expensive transport to U.S. companies.

"Is this corruption or not? Or lobbyism?" the president asked, saying that he has been reluctant to talk about such causes so as not to cause a scandal that could lead to the halt of aid.

The president stressed that Ukraine does not profit from the war and that such claims stem from Russian propaganda, adding that Ukrainian authorities strictly punish anybody who attempts to profit from foreign military aid.

Ukraine has made strides to combat corruption since the EuroMaidan Revolution in 2014, but civil society groups and activists have raised the alarm about the anti-graft efforts slowing down during the full-scale war.