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Originally posted by trapper189:
We sent guns and money. Did we win?
They seem to be running out of people. What’s our next move?

Did we win???
Well, it depends on if [we/you] are a member of Congress or a defense contractor?
If so, you won! Or Zelensky/Zelensky's wife? If so, you won!

Our next move? Keep the grift going!
Fight to the last Ukrainian!

Until the US fixes a multitude of issues domestically, I don't want one fucking cent going to places like the Ukraine.

Sample list in no particular order and it's not all inclusive:

Close the border and expel the invaders already here.
Repair/pave all the roads and bridges (not just patches and Band-Aids)
Run fiber internet to every house, similar to what Reagan did with phone lines (can't be a 1st world nation if internet isn't even as good as most 3rd world shitholes)
Fix the VA
Address homelessness and offer training/employment fixing our infrastructure, moving them where needed.
Rebuild our military and add more manufacturing capabilities to handle any type of war so we're not caught with our dicks in our hands.
Pay down our national debt and reduce inflation


Until all of the above plus more is addressed with our tax dollars, I don't want to hear the sniveling, whiny bullshit regarding Ukraine. Socialist Europe can carry that burden if they'd like, but I'll be damned if us American's should shoulder any of the financial responsibility, whether it's actual dollars or weapons, it's still been paid for by US Taxpayers. To our members that wholeheartedly believe supporting the Ukraine is a just cause, sell your belongings and give your money to them. In addition to that, please ask them for a uniform and weapon for you and each of your family members that are of military fighting age (male or female) so that you can all go fight those evil Ruskies. After all, Ukraine needs cannon fodder to keep their elites from having to put their own asses on the line.

Rolan: Not sure what your heritage has to do with OUR tax dollars! As cliched as it sounds, you're coming off like a nut job Amerikadeutscher Volksbund/German American Bund member back in the 30's and 40's.

Ukraine shoots down a Russian transport plane carrying Ukrainian POWs to a prisoner swap.

https://www.zerohedge.com/mili...rashes-near-belgorod

The Kremlin is accusing Ukraine of shooting down the Russian Il-76 military transport plane that crashed in a border region near Ukraine. All 74 people aboard have been reported killed, including the 65 Ukrainian prisoners of war who were allegedly on board being transported.

The Kharkiv and Belgorod regions in particular have for months witnessed a huge uptick in aggressive Ukrainian military cross-border action, which has included use of missiles, mortars, and drones.

New reporting in The Associated Press suggests that Kiev has made an indirect admission of guilt, but there was no mention of Ukrainian POWs dying. "Hours after the crash, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine made no mention of the crash in a statement," writes AP. "But it added that Ukraine targets Russian military transport planes believed to be delivering missiles, especially near the border."

More at link

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Our next move? Keep the grift going!
Fight to the last Ukrainian!

I’m having a hard time understanding how that helps the Ukrainians.

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Originally posted by mutedblade:
Until the US fixes a multitude of issues domestically, I don't want one fucking cent going to places like the Ukraine.

Sample list in no particular order and it's not all inclusive:

Close the border and expel the invaders already here.
Repair/pave all the roads and bridges (not just patches and Band-Aids)
Run fiber internet to every house, similar to what Reagan did with phone lines (can't be a 1st world nation if internet isn't even as good as most 3rd world shitholes)
Fix the VA
Address homelessness and offer training/employment fixing our infrastructure, moving them where needed.
Rebuild our military and add more manufacturing capabilities to handle any type of war so we're not caught with our dicks in our hands.
Pay down our national debt and reduce inflation


Until all of the above plus more is addressed with our tax dollars, I don't want to hear the sniveling, whiny bullshit regarding Ukraine. Socialist Europe can carry that burden if they'd like, but I'll be damned if us American's should shoulder any of the financial responsibility, whether it's actual dollars or weapons, it's still been paid for by US Taxpayers. To our members that wholeheartedly believe supporting the Ukraine is a just cause, sell your belongings and give your money to them. In addition to that, please ask them for a uniform and weapon for you and each of your family members that are of military fighting age (male or female) so that you can all go fight those evil Ruskies. After all, Ukraine needs cannon fodder to keep their elites from having to put their own asses on the line.

Rolan: Not sure what your heritage has to do with OUR tax dollars! As cliched as it sounds, you're coming off like a nut job Amerikadeutscher Volksbund/German American Bund member back in the 30's and 40's.

Addressing the homelessness problem means dealing with the hard drugs that keeps them in their predicament. Close the border, give the drug dealers (who are modern slave traders) life in prison and do not give a penny to anyone who after a mandatory drug test is dirty with meth, heroin or fentynol.)

Double win; It pissed off Lindsey Graham

Speaker Johnson calls expected Ukraine-border deal ‘dead on arrival’ in the House

https://www.washingtonexaminer...ad-on-arrival-house/

House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) sent a “Dear Colleague” letter to lawmakers Friday effectively killing hopes of advancing the Ukraine-border security package as negotiated by the Senate.

The letter, obtained by the Washington Examiner Friday morning, claimed Senate negotiations are stalling and that “if rumors about the contents of the draft proposal are true, it would have been dead on arrival in the House anyway.”

He reiterated that the White House and Senate negotiators must adopt the “transformative corrections” included in H.R. 2, the immigration bill passed by House Republicans in 2023. The speaker additionally stated his plan to move forward, “by necessity,” with bringing articles of impeachment against Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas when the House returns from recess next week.

Johnson also wrote that in recent calls and meetings with the president, he had “made clear that we stand with Texas Governor Greg Abbott in his heroic efforts to protect the citizens of his stand and all Americans, and I am emphasizing again today that House Republicans will vigorously oppose any policy proposal from the White House or Senate that would further incentivize illegal aliens to break our laws.”

In recent days, the White House has criticized Johnson and House Republicans for “getting in the way” of negotiations in the Senate.

Johnson, President Joe Biden, and the other “Big Four” congressional leaders met at the White House on Jan. 17, after which the House speaker expressed a greater openness to a linked Ukraine-border package.

However, former President Donald Trump and other Republican lawmakers have been pressuring Johnson to reject the Senate’s emerging compromise out of hand.

Asked about those reports during Tuesday’s White House press briefing, press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters that Johnson and House Republicans must accept bipartisan proposals if they “really want to actually fix this problem.”

“There was an agreement with folks in the room that we needed to deal with both issues,” she said, referencing Biden’s meeting with congressional leadership. “Both issues are really important, and so that’s what I will leave you with, but House Republicans could speak for themselves, and we are saying to them, ‘Why are they getting in the way? Why don’t they come to the table and actually have these negotiations with us as well?'”

Still, Trump’s attempts to block a border deal ahead of the 2024 election have angered some Republicans on the Hill.

“I don’t think making the border better changes the 2024 outcome,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), a staunch Trump ally. “I think it’s what we’re expected to do.”

“I just reject the idea that we should reserve a crisis for a better time to solve it,” Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-ND) added in a statement. “There a lot of angry people out there, and that’s why the border crisis is the No. 1 issue for voters. I don’t see how we have a better story to tell when we miss the one opportunity we have to fix it and we go to say, you know, I would love to fix it, but it was election season, so I thought I’d wait.”

I am certain this is the only time this has happened.

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald.../1751613476609364048



US taxpayer dollars down the drain, gentlemen.

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"Employees from a Ukrainian arms firm conspired with defense ministry officials to embezzle almost $40 million earmarked to buy 100,000 mortar shells for the war with Russia."

Why am I not surprised?

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Originally posted by egregore:

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"Employees from a Ukrainian arms firm conspired with defense ministry officials to embezzle almost $40 million earmarked to buy 100,000 mortar shells for the war with Russia."

Why am I not surprised?

Just another case of "It can cost you Millions to steal billions"?

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Originally posted by trapper189:

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Our next move? Keep the grift going!
Fight to the last Ukrainian!

I’m having a hard time understanding how that helps the Ukrainians.

It doesn’t … and that’s the point.

At this point, the ONLY thing that helps the Ukrainians is a negotiated peace and an end to the fighting/killing!

I wonder why they don't name the Arms company?

Probably nothing to do with any of this.

https://oversight.house.gov/th...e-peddling-timeline/

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Originally posted by egregore:
"Employees from a Ukrainian arms firm conspired with defense ministry officials to embezzle almost $40 million earmarked to buy 100,000 mortar shells for the war with Russia."

Oh, come on egregore. You know there were only a few bad eggs and the other eleventybillion dollars are still being used to help kill Ukrainians by extending their war with Russia. That and there's still a few Ukrainians left to be killed, so the war goes on

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...-american-interests/

The $130 billion sent to Ukraine so far for its war against Russia is apparently not actually going to Ukraine, but is really “benefiting American interests,” a spokesperson for Ukraine told Breitbart News.

The shock claim was in response to a request for information by Breitbart News on whether or not any American tax dollars had gone specifically to Uman, a city in the war-torn Eastern European nation that is currently seeing a condo built on a Jewish mass grave, as previously reported, in violation of a bilateral agreement with the U.S., and in violation of international law.

Breitbart reported on January 10 that a city in Ukraine is proceeding with building a condo on a Jewish mass grave, despite three letters from members of Congress from both parties to the Ukrainian government demanding the cemetery be protected.

Replying to an inquiry about whether or not U.S. dollars are going to the city where this is taking place, a spokesperson for the Ukrainian Embassy told Breitbart that “funds authorized by American lawmakers to support Ukraine’s armament are not directly allocated to Ukraine” — after claiming the Ukrainian Embassy “did not receive” a request sent by Breitbart News eight months ago for information on the construction project, which requires desecrating the remains of victims of the 1768 Haidamacks massacre.

The spokesperson explained that, instead, a “significant portion” of the billions of dollars to Ukraine is “utilized in the United States for the construction of new weapons or to replenish those dispatched to Kyiv from U.S. reserves,” adding that “an analysis” (not specifically cited) found that “nearly 90 percent” of aid granted by Congress “is benefiting American interests.” The email continues, “The allocation of funds doesn’t imply immediate expenditure.”

“American interests” in this context presumably means weapons manufacturers.

The Associated Press reported Sunday that employees from a Ukrainian arms firm “conspired with defense ministry officials to embezzle almost $40 million” allocated for weapons purchases.

The news comes months after the New York Times reported on the sacking of Ukraine’s minister of defense due to “graft” and “financial mismanagement” in the department, amid an avalanche of cash coming from the United States to fund the beleaguered war effort, and as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky asks for more.

The Times report said some prepayments for weapons had “vanished” in the bank accounts of weapons dealers, among “about $980 million in weapons contracts” that “missed their delivery dates,” in 2023.

As Breitbart previously reported, in October 2021 a letter was sent to Zelensky personally by Reps. Gregory Meeks (D-NY) and Jerry Nadler (D-NY), expressing “concern” about “desecration” of a Jewish cemetery in Uman, “in violation of existing cultural heritage protection agreements,” emphasizing that “[the] cemetery and other important historical and culturally significant sites are provided with legal protection under the 1994 bilateral agreement between the United States and Ukraine on Protecting and Preserving Cultural Heritage.”

The Biden administration is now seeking an additional $64 billion for Ukraine aid — or, “American interests” — but is facing resistance from Congress.

Ukraine is a like a scam charity where under 10% actually goes toward the soldiers and equipment.

Hey they need a couple more payments to fill up their Caribbean (or wherever they hide money now) bank accounts. Everyone has to get theirs before they flee the country.

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Hey they need a couple more payments to fill up their Caribbean (or wherever they hide money now) bank accounts. Everyone has to get theirs before they flee the country.

I wonder where Zelensky will be 5 years from now, maybe even a year from now?
My bet is that it won't be in Ukraine, unless he's killed and buried.

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Originally posted by 6guns:
When will we hear that their fearless leader has fled the country to some almost deserted island where rich people live?

That's what I was asking on the previous page.

It all stinks! Bad!

How credible are America's retired Generals who speak of current military matters such as Ukraine? They seem very knowledgeable, maybe just a bit war hawkish and, as if they are still in charge of anything. I know many were brilliant leaders but, some of the things they say regarding Ukraine, as good as they make it sound, do not jive with what I look into. Anyone have any input?

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Originally posted by chellim1:

I wonder where Zelensky will be 5 years from now, maybe even a year from now?

Fertilizer. He will be fertilizer and it’s not going to take 5 years, the guy is living on borrowed time

Zelensky has bungled the defense of his country from the very start and has only played into Russia's hand at every turn. NATO is down to the last of its equipment reserves and Russia is holding back its best formations to storm toward the Polish border once Zelensky embezzles the last dollar on another mansion.