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Ukraine's Zelenskyy Vows to Wreak 'Wrath' Against Russia in 2024

Here's something for those of you who feel so passionately that the United States should be involved in this Eastern European border conflict.

What we got (which is nothing) versus what we could have gotten for the same money.

https://twitter.com/WallStreet.../1743418514717696402

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What we got (which is nothing) versus what we could have gotten for the same money.

Well Para, to be fair, we could have bought a bunch of really good stuff with that money but you can't put a price tag on saving a fledgling dictatorship democracy. This is especially inspirational knowing the one and only Joe Biden is directing our efforts.

Sarcasm over... I have seen estimates that we are at $190 billion wasted. How in the hell can we not know exactly how much money and material we have given that black hole? I know the aid is not audited (inexcusable) once given but nobody knows how the fuck much money we have spent

Where's the "best money we've ever spent" brigade?

NATO’s war problem: weak armor

Conventional ground warfare dead end is compounded by limited numbers of tanks as well as spare parts issues

https://asiatimes.com/2024/01/...-problem-weak-armor/

Long article: No paywall

Ukraine’s War Effort Is Stuck. This Heroic Battlefield Failure Shows Why. Wall Street Journal.

The deadly rout of elite Ukraine forces in last year’s counteroffensive against Russian invaders is a lesson in why the country’s war effort is stalled after nearly two years.

https://archive.is/F67k9

Get ready, ladies! It’s time to hit the shooting range.

The Hindustan Times ran a story yesterday headlined, “Ukraine Army Orders 50,000 Women Uniforms Amid Anti-Mobilisation Sentiment | Russia's War.”
https://www.hindustantimes.com...101704816430352.html

Do not worry, girls; the order specified that the uniforms’ design be flattering.

Ukraine has made no formal announcement of conscripting women for combat. But uniforms aren’t needed for non-combatants. And it’s the next logical step. This is what happens when you run out of men. But I was still a little surprised; when they said, “to the last Ukrainian,” I sort of thought they just meant military-age males.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com...ack&utm_medium=email

So they've killed off a large chunk of Ukraine's young men and now they'll do the same for the young women? It's almost like they are trying on purpose to erase the future of this country and its people. It will end up getting divided up among its neighbors and cease to exists some day.

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So they've killed off a large chunk of Ukraine's young men and now they'll do the same for the young women? It's almost like they are trying on purpose to erase the future of this country and its people. It will end up getting divided up among its neighbors and cease to exists some day.

Perhaps that was Putin’s plan all along?

Next month, this thread will be a year old. I don't see anyone calling this fucking grifter the "modern-day Winston Churchill" anymore.

He's well on the way to wiping out an entire generation of his countrymen.

Democrats reject Johnson’s border demands as part of Ukraine aid package

https://www.newsnationnow.com/...ukraine-aid-package/

House Democrats wasted no time this week rejecting Speaker Mike Johnson’s (R-La.) demands for strict new border security measures in return for Ukraine aid, posing the latest obstacle in Congress’s efforts to move another round of military assistance for the embattled U.S. ally.

Johnson said Wednesday House Republicans would oppose any new aid for Kyiv unless it was accompanied by major provisions of the GOP’s previously passed border bill, including the reinstallation of the “remain in Mexico” policy, begun under former President Trump, and hundreds of miles of new wall construction on the U.S.-Mexico border.

“That border fight is coming, and we’re going to die on that hill,” he told the conservative radio pundit Hugh Hewitt.

The remarks sparked an immediate backlash from House Democrats, who are supportive of new border security funding, but not the tough immigration restrictions favored by Republicans. They’re vowing to sink any Ukraine package that includes those provisions if Johnson brings it to the floor — a notable threat since Democratic votes would be needed to move the bill.

“That would be ridiculous. Unfortunately it would be to the detriment of Ukraine if they did that,” Rep. Mark Pocan (D-Wis.) said.

The border wall, in particular, has been a topic of fierce debate between the parties in recent years, and Johnson’s proposal was quickly panned by Democrats, who warned that they’ll never back a Ukraine package that included anything close to the 900 miles of new construction featured in the Republicans border bill.

“That’s a non-starter for me, and I think for most of us,” Rep. Juan Vargas (D-Calif.) said.

“I don’t think it’s realistic,” echoed Rep. Bennie Thompson (Miss.), the senior Democrat on the Homeland Security Committee.

Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.) went a step further, accusing Republicans of offering pseudo-solutions to highly complex problems for the sole purpose of stirring up nativist voters.

“That wall’s always been about political symbolism for Republicans, and it continues to be that,” Grijalva said. “The fact that it has failed, the fact that it costs money — wastes money — seems to be irrelevant.

“I think it’s just the same rhetoric from the last 10 years.”

Next up - Poland joins the fray

This has been a predictable situation since day one. The scholars in charge have spent billions and actually made the situation much worse. It was always a conflict that would get resolved at the negotiating table...now we have billions of dollars and thousands of lost lives to factor into the equation. The US surely enabled the bloodshed, but has this nation really done anything to help curtail the hostilities. We seem to be of the opinion that the Ukrainians should fight like hell for as long as it takes, and battlefield math be damned.

^^^TRUTH!

This could have been settled in April 2022, and again in June 2022, but those peace deal negotiations were scuttled by the west/NATO. Those making the decisions don't want peace, they want to prolong the war, right up to the last Ukrainian even! And while the unprecedented scale of the grift that is the Ukraine War continues, the losers here are the Ukrainian people and the American Taxpayer! It's curious that at this point, nearly two years later, NOBODY is ever 'really' talking about peace, and nearly EVERYONE is 'still' talking about prolonging the war. Everytime anyone talks about peace they are undermined or discredited, possible peace talks are scuttled, etc...And so, all the killing and unnecessary death(s) must continue!

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And while the unprecedented scale of the grift that is the Ukraine War continues, the losers here are the Ukrainian people and the American Taxpayer! It's curious that at this point, nearly two years later, NOBODY is ever 'really' talking about peace, and nearly EVERYONE is 'still' talking about prolonging the war.

^^^ Yes. Many of us here were saying exactly that from the beginning.

This thread was started on February 10, 2023, but the other Ukraine War thread goes back farther.
https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...5/m/3270077884/p/112

No real mystery as to why Robert L. Peters a.k.a Pedo Joe let an American citizen, Gonzalo Lira die in a Ukrainian prison.

“The U.S. State Department reportedly confirmed the death of Chilean-American blogger Gonzalo Lira, who had been imprisoned in Ukraine for criticizing the country's government.”
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