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The robot was in his right hand. The police opened the door and threw the robot in. The robot is maneuvered by the police into the bedroom. The guy gets up, lights a cigarette, he looks at the robot, says "What the fuck is that fucking thing?", and picks it up. He then proceeds to follow the officer's directions to a T. He comes out with his hands up, shows them his hands while they were up, and they shoot him for it. He's got a cigarette in one hand and the robot they introduced into the situation in the other. It's one thing to say "I thought he had a gun" and another to give him the object that caused you to think he had a gun. | |||
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Savor the limelight |
Did you watch the video? It's clear footage, both audio and video, from the camera inside the RV from the beginning to the ending of the incident. This is what everyone else here is talking about. Nobody's judgement is being clouded by the "media". | |||
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trapper - I think your sarcasm meter needs calibration. | |||
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Objectively Reasonable |
Big freakin' ball of sovereign immunity string. Short version is "maybe, but it will be painful, protracted, and a mostly-hollow victory if you do manage to pull it off." | |||
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Team Apathy |
Not a good looking video, and as many of you will likely recall, I am always in the "don't rush to judgement/videos are never as clear cut as they seem". You can claim any number of mitigating factors, and they will, but perhaps one of the biggest red flags to me is that the official press release seems to be in direct contradiction to reality... It stated there was a verbal altercation and then a confrontation at the door.... I didn't see or hear either of those. I saw what appeared to be the man following directions. Yes, the robot in his hand could easily be mistaken for a gun, and it probably was... but it appears that he did what they asked. I repeat: I am glad the fellow survived. | |||
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I Deal In Lead |
I live around 15 miles or so from where Shaver was murdered and I'm amazed that the jury found him innocent. From what I've read, the cop's attorney told the jury that if they found him guilty, the cops would stop protecting the residents and the jury members didn't want to be the ones responsible for what happened if the cops actually did that. Friends talk about this from time to time and we're all amazed that Shaver's friends or relatives haven't had the ex-cop killed yet. I know that years ago the guy would be pushing up daisies. | |||
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Savor the limelight |
Could be and wouldn't be the first time. I took both comments I quoted as sarcastic remarks expressing the author's frustration with his perception that other posters in this thread were jumping to conclusions and being influenced by media portrayals of this incident. My question arises because I have not seen or read any media portrayals, I've only watched the video footage from inside the RV. I believe the other posters are commenting from the same viewpoint. Based on what I saw and heard, I can not imagine how any reasonable person could explain away why the police shot that man. I don't remember chongosuerte ever posting anything to lead me to believe he was anything other than a reasonable person, hence my question. Ooh, I just thought of a possibility, because you know, we can't see everything in the security cam footage: The guy who was shot, had an enemy who called 911 on him. That enemy waited in the nearby hills behind the guy's trailer in a ghillie suit for the SWAT team to show up. When they got there and the guy opened the door, his enemy fired off a round, the officer's hearing that shot, assumed it came from guy, and they shot him. <---97.5% sarcasm | |||
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I had forgotten about Mr Shaver. That was pure murder. Not a cop but holy fuck how horrible were those two idiots with guns? Hard to believe a jury let them (him) off. | |||
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In a word: NO. Qualified Immunity applies when officers act REASONABLY in view of the totality of the circumstances, in the course and scope of their employment after review by a judge(s). That's why it's called "QUALIFIED immunity." Gross negligence or deliberate criminal/civil wrongdoing can and does result in the ability to charge officers with crimes and/or civil wrongdoing. Without it, officers would have to pay out of pocket to defend themselves civilly for virtually every action taken, regardless of the reasonableness of their actions. Example: Officer arrests suspect for outstanding warrant, but the warrant was later determined to have been recalled by the court. The court (Judge) can't be sued (due to Qualified Immunity) and neither can the officer, if his actions were deemed within the course and scope of his employment and on the face "reasonable" based upon the circumstances. "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken." | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
Yes, Daniel Shaver was murdered by an idiot. https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...935/m/6040033434/p/1 https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...0030444?r=1020030444 | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
Looking at those morons, they are each festooned with $12-15K in gear (e.g., ballistic vests and helmets, lasers, lights, machine guns, NVGs [single biggest cost], pistols) plus robotics and an armored vehicle and yet they are incapable of waiting until daylight, then politely knocking on the door and asking the homeowners if they heard gun fire and did they possibly know which direction it came from. If the residents are known Antifa/BLM terrorists who’ve threatened police officers in the past, provide overwatch, but don’t bust the place open in the middle of the night, and then shoot an unarmed man whose hands appear up. Unless there is evidence not being presented, those morons, plus their command staff should be told to go work for Waffle House after they are released on parole. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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It's worth mentioning that most elected officials have Qualified Immunity. City Council creates legislation that's signed into law by the mayor, someone is injured or killed due to this legislation? Neither the council members or executive that signed the measure into law can be sued. "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken." | |||
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Joie de vivre |
__________________ Yes, Para, Cherokee county is the western most county in southern part of NC. This is where we live, Murphy, NC, we are 20 miles from the Ga and Tenn. state lines. | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
I was just trying to work the four cardinal points into the thread. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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Mistake Not... |
And while there was talk about it in the those threads, the civil case judgments had not happened yet. Rather than resurrect a thread: Info Shaver's parents: $1.5 million and his common law wife: $8 Million. ___________________________________________ Life Member NRA & Washington Arms Collectors Mistake not my current state of joshing gentle peevishness for the awesome and terrible majesty of the towering seas of ire that are themselves the milquetoast shallows fringing my vast oceans of wrath. Velocitas Incursio Vis - Gandhi | |||
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@wcb6092 is there an update as far as the health of the victim and the legal status of the criminals that attempted murder? | |||
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