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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
I'd rather there be a bit more of a conservative approach for everyone involved before lead is flung.

Apparently they don't teach them how to knock on doors and talk to people in the Jackbooted Thug Academy.

Buncha SEAL wannabees who need to spend a decade or two in prison.

This isn't quite as bad as the Daniel Shaver murder, but it's right up there.

whatever that guy paid for his security camera, it was 1000% worth it. Just imagine if he didn't have it.

Kind of creepy to record yourself and one's wife while home, but I guess in this case it was useful.

That said, outdoor cameras on a monitor would have been useful. When I hear that outside bump in the night the first thing I do is look at the outdoor cams. It's also the first thing I look at before I open my door under any circumstances. Paying extra for good night vision cameras is key.

Was that in the southeastern part of Western North Carolina?

SWAT- in this instance, it stands for Special Weapons and 'Tards

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Kind of creepy to record yourself and one's wife while home

In addition to my ourdoor camera's, I have two indoor camera's. You'd be surprised how handy they are.

In related news, the State of Nevada has just struck down Qualified Immunity for bad law enforcement.

Who the heck has security cameras in their RV? It's a travel trailer. The screen door on the right is the same as the ones in our travel trailer and 5th wheel. The trim on the left is for the slide out on that side. The height of the ceiling and lack of steps leading to the bedroom indicate travel trailer.

Probably drug dealers.

Years ago, I was looking at farms in a rough part of the rural south. Every place the fellow showed me, had a ratty old mobile home, with cameras lining the drive ways and surrounding the mobile home, for a neighbor - the kind of mobile homes where the cameras cost more than it did.

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Originally posted by radioman:

Kind of creepy to record yourself and one's wife while home, but I guess in this case it was useful.

I have an indoor camera in the living room. It’s a choke point for going to the MBR. And if someone breaks in, I want a good head height pic of whomever it is for the cops to identify them if I’m not home.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
Who the heck has security cameras in their RV? It's a travel trailer. The screen door on the right is the same as the ones in our travel trailer and 5th wheel. The trim on the left is for the slide out on that side. The height of the ceiling and lack of steps leading to the bedroom indicate travel trailer.

The Cherokee County Sheriff's Dept requested assistance from the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians' Police SWAT Team. I assume then that this occurred on an Indian Reservation/Tribal Lands. As such, building codes/zoning may not be what you'd typically expect. This could just be the primary residence of the victim.

I was actually wondering if the guy got 'SWATTED' by the 911 caller. Plus, who waits to get a search warrant prior to responding to a domestic disturbance with reported gunshots anyway. Somethings Fishy...

According to the second video, the suspect had threatened his wife and any responding police, and had already fired some 10 shots. So the SWAT team was amped up, possibly mistaking the robot for a WML-equipped handgun, and possibly thinking he was actually aiming it at them.

Yeah- possibly. Right now I'm giving the police every benefit of the doubt I can, but the video doesn't do much to support such "possibilities".

Not sure what he had in his right hand but clearly he had a cigarette in the left. Not sure what prompted the first officer to fire but I'm guessing once that first shot rang out several discharged as a reaction.

That is clearly dangerous as if one makes a mistake, it is compounded.

The cops said it among themselves “We’re fucked.”

How could that be a justified use of force?

My first shot on watching this was "What the fuck are they shooting him with, Simmunitions?"

Does this sort of thing happen more often in the smaller departments? The reason I ask, in Memphis for example, MPD deals with routine calls every day that would make these idiots go FULL RAMBO RETARD.

I could somewhat make out a conversation in the video between the shootee and one of the shooters after they drug him outside and opted to "start workin' on him." He asked why they shot him and the cop said something unintelligible, and the shootee said "I had your camera in my hand," and the shooter said "well that's why you got shot," or something to that effect.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
Does this sort of thing happen more often in the smaller departments? The reason I ask, in Memphis for example, MPD deals with routine calls every day that would make these idiots go FULL RAMBO RETARD.

My old department had 120 Officer for a city of 40-50k. We were given training multiple times in the year and had to complete 24 hours of online training annually as required by the state of NC.

We shot four times a year.

The state requirement was ONCE a year for shooting and the mentioned 24 hours for ongoing learning and other stuff, not including the city’s sexual harassment, don’t call people names etc training.

There were little towns nearby that had five or ten officers who graduated BLET and only did the state requirement.

Cherokee county is very poor. The casinos make good bucks but the people in surrounding towns of Sylvia, Franklin, Bryson City, Nantahala are all one paycheck away from abject poverty.

When I moved to the area in the late 80s our neighbor had gotten running water in the 70s. There were still outhouses. People poached to live.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
Does this count as qualified immunity as long as the charges they made up stick?

Qualified immunity doesn’t mean what most people think it means.

The charges sticking or not aren’t really relevant. Qualified immunity is for a civil suit, not criminal (for the officer or the public).

And it’s qualified. Judges and prosecutors have absolute immunity. Law enforcement has to meet certain criteria to be immune, it’s not a given, and that just means they can’t be sued.

In the last several years we have seen officers charged criminally that would have been expected to be granted qualified immunity in the federal system just a few years prior if it was a civil case. It is interesting times.

As for the rest of this…I’m certain the media would make absolutely sure that they present all the facts clearly and in a way that could not be misconstrued against law enforcement by omission or misdirection. Completely certain.

Should we draw, or quarter them first?

Thanks for the insight, Mike.

We have passed through Cherokee several times over the years. We never ventured too far from the main roads heading to/from Gatlinburg.

On a side note, the one and only time I played the slots was at Cherokee. I was mugged.

I saw that video a few days ago ... cops are in the wrong and are gonna pay bigley.

Moral of the story ... have cameras everywhere.

They should not have shot that man.

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Originally posted by chongosuerte:

Should we draw, or quarter them first?

20 years of savage prison rape should suffice.

And I'm not kidding.