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| No Compromise |
jsbcody, Thanks for that! Sounds interesting. I'll give it a run through. It looks to be the right type of education at the right time, for me anyway. I appreciate you guys and your assistance in helping me deal with such a difficult topic. I'm torn between the loss of innocence that comes from having to take a life, and satisfaction that comes with knowing these violent criminals will never harm anyone again. Perhaps I should reconcile my feelings both ways. Just to be clear on my point. Violent offenders can't hurt anyone anymore = good. Sucks to be the one that has to dispatch them = sad. I certainly take no offense in the opinions you guys have shared. I expect I haven't offended anyone either. H&K-Guy | |||
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| Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
The limited information on the news mentioned that the homeowner has a job, I think a truck driver or something, that has him returning home at all sorts of odd hours. The no trespassing signs posted outside his home and the number of them would indicate that this is a problem in the neighborhood. We can all speculate about having to shoot someone and the decision making process but when you are walking to your front door and someone starts sending real live ammo your way, your options and time for decision making are very limited and merely focus on survival. No need to worry about what comes after until you know there will be an after for you. The TV interviews with the family of the deceased appeared to show that they wanted to blame the shooter or others but they really couldn't come up with much. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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| Imagination and focus become reality |
It is important to remember that "Thou Shalt not Kill" refers to murder or unjustified killing. I would have no problem in shooting to protect myself or family to stop the threat. I would like to hear more particulars of this story though. | |||
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whats important is, they died doing what they love Safety, Situational Awareness and proficiency. Neck Ties, Hats and ammo brass, Never ,ever touch'em w/o asking first | |||
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| Idiot by birth, Asshole by choice |
Sometimes, the victim turns out to be an Alpha male predator, at the top of the food chain. | |||
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A few more details. Teens shot first. Homeowner returned fire. Why do they call it a stand your ground situation? Seems just regular old self defense, someone shoots at you, you shoot back, period. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
Everything you need to know about that article is in the first sentence. "May" have? There's no "may" about it, Braniac. "Alleged"? These thugs shot at the man on his own property, in the commission of a crime. How long did you go to college to get that stupid? That's as far as I read. Typical leftist spin. | |||
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And.... why in hell would a "news reporter" seek out the opinion of a professor anyway? Who cares about his opinion? End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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| half-genius, half-wit |
Quote - Renee Simpson, with Bible Way Worldwide Ministries, said all three teenagers attended Salem High School. Simpson said while she didn’t know the boys or their families, she nonetheless organized a candlelight vigil, and she expects hundreds to attend. “I have a calling to fulfill as a minister and that’s what I’m doing,” Simpson said Wednesday. “This is a grieving time. … It’s not about me taking sides one way or the other.” But she IS taking sides - she is commemorating the side of the scumbag teens who got killed in the commission of a CRIME. Armed robbery is still a crime, is it not? And the likelihood of injuring or killing an innocent person whilst committing the crime seemed to me to have a pretty high level of probability. Had they gotten away with it and been caught, they would have lived off the state for the rest of their sad little lives. Or maybe died in a shoot-out with the police. Either is good AFAIAC, but the best of all results actually happened. I just run plumb out of charity when it comes to this kind of activity. No apologies about that. | |||
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| No Compromise |
Mkay, Yeah, that article excelled in it's crapulence. I've just gota' stop reading the "news." Usually, I'm part of the 'don't wish no harm on anyone' crowd. This article and thread have severely tested my character. H&K-Guy | |||
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Delusions of Adequacy |
Tireed of hearing about perps who were "just truning their lives around". If you don't walk the wrong path to start with, you don't need to turn around. But sadly I think a large number of these people lack a constant and good role model in their lives. I have my own style of humor. I call it Snarkasm. | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
Fuzzy little kittens and puppy dogs melt my heart. I trap spiders and carefully shuttle them out of the house because spiders want to live, too. I learned what "seeing the light go out" of eyes meant when I helped a police officer put down a deer injured in traffic. I hope I never have to find out, but I suspect I would lose little sleep over three dirtbags like the three cited in this incident losing their lives as a result of me being obliged to defend myself from their predations. And, at this comfortable distance, I regard it as a plus for society. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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| 10mm is The Boom of Doom  |
I hope the home owner is reimbursed the cost of ammunition. God Bless and Protect the Once and Future President, Donald John Trump. | |||
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If true, IMO it's not a "stand your ground" case; it's a self defense case. Journalists love to discuss "stand your ground" cases convoluting them with pure self defense. As an example, Zimmerman - as the evidence seemed to show - was self defense, not SYG. Journalists on the left are doing this on purpose. Steve Small Business Website Design & Maintenance - https://spidercreations.net | OpSpec Training - https://opspectraining.com | Grayguns - https://grayguns.com Evil exists. You can not negotiate with, bribe or placate evil. You're not going to be able to have it sit down with Dr. Phil for an anger management session either. | |||
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Law professor Russell Covey: "Without all the facts in the Rockdale case, it's hard to say whether the homeowner broke the law, Covey said. The incident raises the question of whether it makes sense to authorize people to use deadly force in similar situations, he said." This professor has been in the ivory tower too long. The teens came on the homeowner's property shooting. People will use deadly force in similar situations, authorized or not. Perhaps the professor should spend some months late at night out on the street interacting with such wayward teens. His perspective would change radically, assuming he survives. ... stirred anti-clockwise. | |||
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Most journalists don't even know what stand your ground laws mean, they are always calling it something it is not. Stand your ground means you don't have to run away. Period. CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
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I hope more updates are made public, usually once the headlines are done (usually 1-2 weeks?) you never hear anything about the case. Seems many times trouble just comes to your front door (front yard), and the homeowner has not only to deal with the threat at hand but the aftermath which could be almost as bad. Main thing is the homeowner & family are alive. | |||
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I rejoice in their deaths. "Ninja kick the damn rabbit" | |||
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Dances with Wiener Dogs |
One Manhattan down the hatch........onto the second. _______________________ “The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.” Ayn Rand “If we relinquish our rights because of fear, what is it exactly, then, we are fighting for?” Sen. Rand Paul | |||
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