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Bush is safe, as his family is a globalist recognized dynasty. EVERYONE knows it’s Trumps fault. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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saw a thing on Twitter that a C17 departed with 800 people aboard.  if true.--------------------------- Proverbs 27:17 - As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. | |||
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related to above https://ukdefencejournal.org.u...le-in-single-flight/  don't know if this video is related: https://twitter.com/AuroraInte.../1426947997104054277 reported to be recording of conversation w aircraft: https://twitter.com/Osinttechn.../1427042570580996099 | |||
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WTH!?!? ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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I was about to post a similar article. Things must be really desperate over there for something like this to happen. Godspeed to those involved. My daughter can deflate your daughter's soccer ball. | |||
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800? That's standing room only. __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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You have to look at the photo at link>I was unable to copy it here. Biden alone at a big table staring at a TV screen. This is his security briefing. What optics. Biden To Address Crisis In Afghanistan "In Next Few Days" https://www.zerohedge.com/geop...nistan-next-few-days CNN announced that President Biden - who has been holed up in Camp David - is expected to address the nation in the next few days about the crisis in Afghanistan. According to the report, one option under discussion is to have Biden return to the White House, though the official cautioned that they had not completely ruled out making the remarks from Camp David. Earlier today, CNN's Jeff Zeleny reported that while Biden can receive the same level of briefings from Camp David, as he has been doing throughout the weekend, officials are aware of the optics of the President being out of town during this perilous moment. Several administration officials have also been on vacation, but began returning to work remotely Sunday or in the West Wing. Earlier today, the White House twitter account sent out a photo showing Biden holding a video conference with the national security team and senior officials "to hear updates on the draw down of our civilian personnel in Afghanistan, evacuations of SIV applicants and other Afghan allies, and the ongoing security situation in Kabul." The photo was quickly panned by a former Navy bomb squad team member among others, for clearly showing the face of the Doha station chief, outing him in the process. LOL White House just outed Doha Station. _________________________ "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain | |||
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 ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Nancy Pelosi: “The President is to be commended for the clarity of purpose of his statement on Afghanistan and his action,” “The Taliban must know the world is watching its actions. We are concerned about reports regarding the Taliban’s brutal treatment of all Afghans, especially women and girls.” "Any political settlement that the Afghans pursue to avert bloodshed must include having women at the table" : | |||
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Can you imagine the media talking heads if Trump remained on vacation in anything remotely as serious? No one bats an eye. New moniker suggestion, “No show Joe” Interesting article a coworker posted… Courtesy of Combat FlipFlops Written in Taliban The first time I saw you was in the Khyber pass. You came with your technology, elite fighters fueled by revenge, and the hubris to believe you could disprove history. This was a war that you didn’t have the stomach to fight. But I’m glad you tried. We bled you the same way we bled the Soviets in our Holy Land. We bled you the same way the Vietnamese bled you in their home land. We did it patiently and deliberately. Patience. Something Westerners never learn. Our history is millennial. We don’t yearn for an early victory when the Infidel ravages our Holy Land. Our victory is celebrated decades from now. We’ve endured, then ravaged every standing military that crossed our borders. Why? How? We’re patient. In 30 days, we’ll be stronger, richer, and have control over precious natural resources that you need for your pathetic life that’s dictated by comfort. We will have women, riches, land, guns, and ownership of one of the greatest chapters in military history. You lose. If you want to try again, we welcome the challenge. You will fail regardless of how much money you burn in our deserts. For pity, here is free advice that may contribute to your future success; should you ever decide to invade again. You recruit your warriors and supporters from a drug addicted, distracted, disillusioned population that’s obsessed with comfort and entertainment. A population obsessed with altering their mundane reality. Alcohol, marijuana, pills, and our new favorite -- Tide Pods. Every time your doctors prescribe opiate painkillers, you line our coffers with gold. Your population’s thirst for our pristine heroin has never been more lucrative for our warrior tribes. We will keep feeding you poison for as long as you keep your hands out. If your population wasn’t so spineless, undisciplined, and self loathing, then you might be able to compile a raiding party with enough tenacity to outthink ours. Our fighters are born into war. Raised in it. It’s a way of life that evades your “first world” nations. They live a life of such immense misery and pain that they’re willing to fight barefoot in the snow for the opportunity to martyr themselves. They yearn for the opportunity to die. When they do have the blessed opportunity to sacrifice themselves, they sit above Mohammed at the right hand of God. Blessed in Allah for eternity What honors do your fighters receive? Their empty sacrifice is remembered in the form of a “three day weekend.” The majority of your population uses this sacred time to get drunk and grow more fat as a way to celebrate their fallen warriors. Sadly, we pay tribute to their death more honorably. The colored pieces of cloth you pin on their chests are similar to the jewelry worn by our women. What good are accolades and vanity if you don’t have the stomach to endure a fight? We don’t offer the burden of healthcare to our fighters as they often want to die for Allah. Your fighters fight to live. Their inability to reconcile the inevitable outcome of our patience leads them to kill themselves. Your medications, counselors and non-profits will never undo the pain and suffering you’ve forced them to endure. It will never remove the pain we’ve caused your broken nation. You are your own worst enemy. We will give your fighters credit. Some are creative, tenacious, and fierce. They outgun us in every way possible. But again, we simply wait them out. Allah is patient. You cycle them through our Holy Lands every 3 to 12 months for their combat rotations. After their tour is complete, they return to the comfort of their warm beds and endless entertainment. If you left them here, in our Holy Land, with no way out but to win, then you might of have had a chance of success. The longer you poisoned our Holy Land with your presence, your “rules of engagement” only strengthened our position. There is only one rule in war - that is to win. Your commanders made you fight with your hands tied behind your back. Your rules also confused our fighters too. “We’re clearly the enemy, why are they letting us go?” Thank you for your compassion as it allowed our fighters to kill more Infidels. We began to feel as if your commanders were on our side. We’re thankful your most vicious dogs were never allowed off their leash. Your showcase Generals make us laugh. You spend millions of dollars flying them around our country inventing new ways to win, while ignoring the guidance of our most capable foes. Your Generals make decisions to minimize risk to their fragile reputation with the ultimate goal of securing a lucrative retirement--jobs with suppliers that fuel your losing force. A self-serving circle that’s built on the backs of your youngest and most naive fighters. Your retired Generals “earn” tens of thousands of dollars talking to your political, industrial, and financial leaders about “teams, winning, and discipline.” It’s a mockery of the war they refused to fight. It’s a mockery of the Infidel warriors who died in our lands. We urge you to continue following their vacuumous personalities so we can further watch your once great nation collapse. Your statesman and elected officials are spineless, narcissistic, and more cowardly than your Generals. They crave power over you above all else. They come to our country, hide behind blast walls, and only heed the word of the indiginous leader they put in power. I believe your soldiers call this a “self licking ice cream cone.” They’ve burned billions of dollars in a wasted effort to bring clean water, electricity, business, education, agriculture, and exports to a region that didn’t ask for it. You should have saved yourself the effort and simply given the money directly to us. Don’t worry, your diplomatic friends gave us plenty of your American tax dollars. If you want to give it another shot with your “soft power,” send those with real experience, not fancy degrees and silver tongues. Over the next few months, we will make the world understand that you failed worse than any fighting force that’s ever invaded our lands. Today we celebrate victory. As you evacuate your embassy, our fighters will be standing in the shade. We thank you for the parting gifts. You’ll find surface-to-air missiles staged in the back of Toyota pickup trucks that you purchased for us. Our marksmen will be patient. We saw what Extortion 17 did to your nation and the morale of your fighting force. Do your citizens even remember that victory? We’ll be repeating and improving upon our victory while your citizens and sympathizers evacuate in disgrace. Every one of your foes around the world will know exactly how to break you. You are welcome to fly your empty drones, target our cell phones, and send your spies. But they, too, will ultimately fail. We’ll use their failures to show the world that you’re not all-powerful. You’re a false front. An empty shell. You lie, cheat, steal, and are easily defeated because you lack the spine to fight. This is your history now. We’re grateful Allah gave us the opportunity to show the world how to defeat the Infidels. We look forward to seeing you again across the battlefield. Praise be to God, The Taliban What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand???  | |||
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Im reluctant to engage this topic. But as someone who has spent the majority of my adult life as an operator in various parts of special operations, do i ever have opinions. Ive been involved in everything from the tactical level of operations all the way to “things” in the strategic picture, on multiple continents. Ive served and stood on the back ramp with the best our country has to offer, and i will say this: our politicians and our officer corps of the military failed us. Our politicians with their misguided idealism; and our officer corps for being short sighted, weak, and opportunistic for their own careers and aspirations. No one who has been paying attention is surprised. Afghanistan is called the graveyard of empires for a reason. We attempted to apply western democracy ideals to a tribalistic culture that didnt want them. We tried to nation build a country and a people who didnt want it. We applied increasingly conventional answers to what were increasingly asymmetric and unconventional questions. Nation building doesnt work. Building empires does. The realistic options were to either vanquish our enemies with extreme prejudice and without remorse; or create an administrated territory. Building a democratic afghanistan was never on the list, but was pursued idealistically anyway. Afghanistan serves -again- as an example and beacon of the failure of the western intellectual’s attempt to govern the province of war. We should have listened to unconventional war fighters on the ground living with afghans, not the degree’d elites who lived their entire lives in the think tanks of universities with towers so ivory you cant look at them in direct sunlight. Yet we did. And this is the result of a war fought by their rules. The failure of this war and the over 6,200 american lives lost rest entirely at the feet of western liberal elite. Some of them in suits. Some of them in uniform. | |||
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I am not going to post my first response. Please do not make this an O vs E debate. I am a (retired) O. I went where I was told to go. Did what I was told to do. Did the best I could to train those SOB's for a year. Saw friends of mine come home in a pine box. Don't try to blame me and my dead friends for this CF. The rest of your post I agree with. "I, however, place economy among the first and most important republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared." Thomas Jefferson | |||
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Id humbly recommend you get in the habit of asking for clarity on things you dont have facts on, rather than making assumptions. You dont know what ranks or capacities ive been in, the specifics of what I did, and nothing about what I said was “O vs E”. Leadership failed. Pure and simple. If you have a burdened conscience by by that, then deal with that on your own time. My assessment stands as accurate as I see it, coins from my pocket on graves at Arlington not withstanding. Be well. | |||
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Your words. My conscience is clean. I have a year's + worth of facts and experience. Please do not paint with a broad brush. "I, however, place economy among the first and most important republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared." Thomas Jefferson | |||
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Cool. After being on the ground, in front of congress, in front of mil leadership up to the 4 star level, in front of ambassadors, in front of the NSC, in front of white house staffers, and gov leadership up to the secretary and assistant secretary level -for the last 10+ years- My assessment stands. Edit- if you think Im somehow laying blame at the feet of each and every military leader or politician, i am not. I am blaming the institutions i assess as being responsible. You and I are probably both a part of each of those institutions. That point of clarity said, i stand by my assessment and own it. | |||
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https://www.npr.org/2011/04/27...troops-kills-several My friends. The unit I left 1 week prior. Fuck you. "I, however, place economy among the first and most important republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared." Thomas Jefferson | |||
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Sorry for your loss. Arlington is a solemn and hard place to be. Ive got friends there. My dad is there. Doesnt change my assessment. As to that tragic incident, it highlights the type of failures and lack of awareness Im talking about. But your grievance shouldnt be with me. It should be with whoever’s name is scratched across the signature line of the security orders and directives for the facility and unit in question. I wont have any future responses on this topic. | |||
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My words were harsh. You struck a raw place. Blame the leadership as a whole, yes. I took this as a personal attack. If not intended as such I offer my apologies. "I, however, place economy among the first and most important republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared." Thomas Jefferson | |||
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Fellas, how about we take a breath? It sucks to lose friends, and nothing good comes from opening that wound. | |||
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