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Desperate women fleeing Venezuela sell hair, breast milk, sex to get by:


CUCUTA, Colombia – Although the sun has barely risen, this border city with Venezuela is already bursting with chaos.

Thousands upon thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia over the crowd cross-country bridge, their faces gaunt, carrying little more than a backpack. Rail-thin women cradle their tiny babies, and beg along the trash-strewn gutters. Teens hawk everything from cigarettes to sweets and water for small change.

The young, the old and the disabled cluster around the lone Western Union office – recently established to deal with the Venezuelan influx – in the hopes of receiving or sending a few dollars to send home. Without passports or work permits, the Venezuelans – many with university degrees or decent jobs in what was once the wealthiest nation in Latin America – are now resorting to whatever it takes to survive.

“Hair, looking for hair,” an older man choruses through the crowd, turning to a group of women clutching their small children. Another man nearby holds a sign, “we buy hair.” More and more girls and women are turning to the cut the make ends meet, and feed their families for a few days.

Women sell their locks to local wigmakers in Colombia for around $10-30, depending on length and quality. Other women sell their bodies. Girls as young as 14 line the Cucuta streets available “for hire,” earning around seven dollars “per service.”

“Due to the brutal economic situation in Venezuela, they come to Colombia looking for a job, or at least for shelter and basic care. But they usually end up selling candles or coffee at traffic lights,” said Amy Roth Sandrolini, Chief of Staff at The Exodus Road, a U.S.-based organization devoted to fighting human trafficking globally. “Where they also become vulnerable to being recruited, to become victims of human trafficking.”

Both men and women are exposed to sex trafficking along the route from Venezuela to Colombia. According to several walkers, some women “chose” prostitution as a means to make money and earn rides along the way. And some heterosexual men “sell themselves on the gay market” for a little money.

Other women are manipulated or forced into giving “pimp types” their documents and identification cards, and are subsequently drawn into prostitution rings. That's particularly the case in border areas, where many rebel and drug-trafficking groups operate.

They come from a country they say now resembles a war zone. Their lives have been ripped apart by displacement, starvation, disease, desperation and torment. But now they're in Colombia, where conditions are far from perfect, but are at least safer, and more stable.

Inside Venezuela, health care has all but dissolved. Children are dying of malaria and hepatitis. They’re breaking bones and burning their bodies, having been left unattended while their parents comb the streets for work and food.

Suicide rates too have skyrocketed, even among children. Specific numbers are impossible to come by as the government refuses to track or release accurate data, yet Venezuelan children’s rights group CECODAP estimates there has been at least an 18 percent rise in teens taking their own lives over the past year. There are next to no mental health services.

Luis Gonzalez, a 31-year-old former fireman and paramedic from Valencia, Venezuela, has ventured as far away as the Ecuadorian capital of Quito to try and make enough money to save the life on his three-year-old son, who was diagnosed with leukemia in November 2017.

“I’ve only been able to send money back to my family twice, it hasn’t been easy,” Gonzalez, who sells cookies on the streets by day and sleeps at a nearby “resting house” for around 70 Venezuelans – which was quickly transformed from a military uniform factory – over the summer lamented. “But I’m trying to raise money and find donations.”

As there is no treatment available in his homeland, his focus has been on buying whatever medications he can find on the black market – from chemotherapy pills to IV drips – to send back via the Colombian border.

“The social security was supposed to provide everything to us, but everywhere I went to get help I was obstructed. The central administration would send me to a branch and tell me I could find chemo pills, but then they said they had none. Some places say they don’t have it when they do, but even doctors and nurses and pharmacists sell whatever medications they get on the black market,” Gonzalez asserted. “I have had the police called on me by social security because I’ve become so angry. This is my son’s life.”

A recent National Hospital Survey conducted by the Physicians for Health organization found that not only are more than 95 percent of CAT and MRI machines inoperative but 43 percent of laboratories are out of order, 33 percent of beds are broken, and 51 percent of hospitals are gravely short of emergency supplies. Furthermore, 38 percent of surgical instruments are not in commission, and 62 percent experienced violent incidents from patients' family members toward hospital personnel and 45 percent reported the theft of crucial equipment.

“There is a human catastrophe in Venezuela. There is a resurgence of illnesses that were eradicated decades ago. Hundreds have died from measles and diphtheria. Last year, more than 400,000 Venezuelans presented malaria symptoms. Up to now, there are over 10,000 sick people from tuberculosis,” said Antonio Ledezma, former political prisoner and mayor of Caracas. “People have been doomed to death. More than 55,000 cancer patients don’t have access to chemotherapy. Every three hours a woman dies due to breast cancer.”

Caterine Martinez, an attorney, and director of the Prepara Familias (Ready Families) organization in Venezuela – which endeavors to support hospitalized children and their families and caregivers – concurred that the public health care issue in the country is nothing short of “severe.”

“Currently there are no broad-spectrum antibiotics, not even basic antibiotics to treat basic pathogens from children and present chronic illnesses,” she said. “We don’t have x-rays working, they haven’t for a long time. We don’t have a CAT scanner or an MRI scanner. Many other vital medical instruments don’t work. The municipal blood banks don’t have reagents, therefore we have kids who are getting blood transfusions and are getting infected with hepatitis C and could even be injected with HIV.”

Martinez estimates more than 55 percent of the healthcare professionals – doctors, nurses, and others – have left the country. Resident doctors who have stayed in Venezuela earn the equivalent of $24 a month, while specialists make just a little more, at $30.

“We also have a severe problem with nutrition. There is no supply of baby formula, nor nutritional supplements. Therefore, we have a lot of malnourished children and the situation is then even more complicated.”

Julio Castro Mendez, a doctor who specializes in infectious diseases and is a Professor at the Medical Institute at the Central University of Venezuela, underscored that 65 percent of the country’s 70,000 patients with HIV have not received treatment in the past six months. Coupled with astringent malnutrition, some of his adult male patients have dwindled down to 77 pounds, he said.

“Maternal and infant mortality has also increased significantly in recent years, by more than 65 percent,” he added. “More than half of the deliveries in Cucuta are Venezuelan women who cross the border to that babies in environments that are more secure and better-equipped,” Mendez explained.

VENEZUELANS REGRET GUN BAN, 'A DECLARATION OF WAR AGAINST AN UNARMED POPULATION'

One Venezuelan mother, 30-year-old Marie Chaparral, routinely treks across to Colombia to seek healthcare and vaccines for her three young children, one being only a few weeks old. She explained that she, like most expectant mothers in Venezuela, had to buy all necessary birthing procedural needs – from the painkillers to the scalpels to the towels and hospital gowns – on the black market in Colombia. Only then, lugging all her things to the hospital, would a doctor in Venezuela oversee the birth.

With her newborn, Chaparro had to have an emergency c-section as they discovered the umbilical cord was wrapped around her daughter’s neck. She cited the child's survival as a “miracle from God.”

Colombian nurse Jenny Diaz, 29, who works at a Red Cross shelter on the border, said that between 120-150 expectant mothers or mothers with newborns cross the border seeking medical assistance or vaccines.

Desperate dads, too, are making the journey.

“We can’t find any vaccines; we can’t find any medicines. Children in Venezuela are dying,” said Alberto Camacho, 35, as he stared down at his five-month-old daughter Ruth Steffania. “I have to give my baby goat milk because baby formula is $12. It would take me three months to make $12.”

Camacho defined himself as “unemployed right now,” despite odd taxi jobs, having had to shutter his beloved restaurant five months ago when money and food ran out.

Others have continued their trek through Colombia, to other nations in the region, to give birth.

Maria Alejandra Salazar, 35 – who is six months pregnant with twins – left her two daughters behind in Caracas to sell sweets on the streets in Quito, where she will stay to ensure a safe birth. She noted that despite everyone in the household working two jobs, it just wasn’t enough to survive.

Salazar also underscored that family planning has become impossible to come by in Venezuela, with things such as birth control pills often being duds that simply have no effect.

Miguel Barreto, the Regional Director for Latin America for the UN’s World Food Programme (WFP) pointed out that hospitals in neighboring nations – especially Colombia, which is bearing the brunt of the Venezuelan, exodus having absorbed an estimated one million migrants and asylum seekers since the crisis heightened three years ago – have become “overwhelmed.”

“The level of women crossing the border to give birth has dramatically increased,” Barreto said. “The forecast is for this only to get worse in 2019, so we plan to increase our response.”

Venezuelans stuck inside are also dying of hunger. Women are trying to support other women by donating breast milk to malnourished babies, others have attempted to sell it as a means of feeding their own families. Even though a life-saving measure in much of Venezuela, concerns of hygiene also remain.

“The biggest concern is now food. 70 percent of people are facing steep food insecurity and acute malnutrition,” Barreto lamented.

Not only do Venezuelan residents troll through trash cans looking for scraps, but many – including children – hide along roadsides and wait for a moment to strike, where they toss rocks at passing vehicles, or blow out tires with metal strip. Then they either steal or hold up the vehicle in the hopes of bargaining for food. Or they might loot a passing food government truck – making the job even more dangerous for the drivers.

The food trucks carry Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro’s trademark boxes of subsidized food, known as CLAP. They were intended to feed a family of four for at least a week. But if and when the boxes come at all, Venezuelans claim, they are often spoiled.

The boxes every couple of months, on a schedule no one seems to know. And the Venezuelans say next to not much of sustenance – meat and vegetables – are affordable, with families living off out-of-date cereals. Other Venezuelans said sardines, yucca, and lentils that last a few days a week have become their staple.

Meanwhile, decimated and abandoned homes and institutions and parks languish at every turn – looted and burned, livelihoods decimated in a pile of rubble. Trash piles up in the streets. Some venture out to scavenge for food, but streets are often ghostly – forsaken and upended, with families in fear of falling victim to crime and violence should they step out into the streets.

Another Venezuelan, who requested his name not be published out of fear and security reasons, described the levels of crime and violence as something akin to a horror movie. He worked as a security guard in the capital, Caracas, despite having been shot in the stomach by government-backed street gangs known as the “collectivos." He was left permanently disabled, and said his store manager is threatened and forced to hand after the most valuable food goods to the gangsters.

“It is complete anarchy. There are tens of thousands of these gangs – Cuban and Venezuelan – who operate in every state,” the 33-year-old father bemoaned. “I have only managed to survive this long thanks to Jesus and the Holy Spirit.”

Venezuela is also gripped by a bewildering hyperinflation, which has exceeded one million percent, according to the International Monetary Fund, rendering the currency - the Bolivar - essentially worthless.

The increasingly authoritarian Nicolas Maduro-led government, continuing the policies of Hugo Chavez, denies the existence of a humanitarian catastrophe, instead pointing fingers at everything from Venezuela’s positioning to the sun, to opposition movements and the United States for infringing on their economic rights.

Nonetheless, life isn’t all doom and desperation for everyone in Venezuela.

“There is a stark difference between those who have access to hard currency or not,” added Guillermo Aveledo, a political science professor at the University of Caracas. “Chavista magnates and related classes have become an obscene upper class, with access to a bevy of products and services well beyond the international price and driving up the price for everyone else.”



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The increasingly authoritarian Nicolas Maduro-led government, continuing the policies of Hugo Chavez, denies the existence of a humanitarian catastrophe, instead pointing fingers at everything from Venezuela’s positioning to the sun, to opposition movements and the United States for infringing on their economic rights.

1. Nicolas Maduro has to be overthrown. Instead of fleeing the country, the people should storm his palace.
2. The people of Venezuela have to turn away from the mistake of electing socialists. Socialism is a destructive ideology. It is based on envy and destroys rather than builds wealth.
3. I wish more people in the US knew about the dangers of electing socialists.



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It's 1775 in Venezuela right now! Will they continue to lay belly up?


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1. Nicolas Maduro has to be overthrown. Instead of fleeing the country, the people should storm his palace.


If you want a blood bath that's a good plan. Because it will fail, either because the people are slaughtered trying and in the reprisals after a failure, or they succeed and you get the New Soviet State doing the Great Purge, revision 5.1.

Either drives a vast back flushing sound from South of our border as millions of refugees stream to the USA.

What is needed is a member of a Maduro's security staff to put a pistol round through the back of his head during some big speech. Alternatively there needs to be one person with a rifle to take care of business from long range. Then there is the potential for the refugee crisis to be averted. I doubt it will be stopped but at least there's the potential.





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Ask Stalin & Kim. Starving people don't fight back.




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What is needed is a member of a Maduro's security staff to put a pistol round through the back of his head during some big speech. Alternatively there needs to be one person with a rifle to take care of business from long range.

That would be better... but one way or the other, nothing improves as long as Nicolas Maduro lives.
He will not step down and he will not admit the failure of the ideology he supports.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
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Vote in socialists out of covetousness.
Socialists disarm the population for it's own good
Socialism runs it's metastatic course.
Socialists pervert following elections to remain in power.
Public suffers.
Disarmed public revolts throwing rocks.
Armed gov't attacks public.
Dispirited public languishes in ignominy.

Got it.

Let's try it too.

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That would be better

No, at this point Venezuela needs the war, or the prospect of the war. If people run or wait for some hero on a tall white horse, then we can expect the bloodbath and failure that SIG2340 predicted because a handful of self-appointed heroes will have a realistic chance of deciding the fate of the entire country. If masses of people are involved, then the problem becomes a jump ball and there's some chance of something better emerging because something closer to a functional consensus will be necessary to end the violence.
 
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Stupid thoughts and questions:

In this day and age, how hard would it be for someone with sufficient skill sets to actually eliminate Maduro from a distance? A third party - doesn't have to be related to the country at all.

If it's reasonably viable, and assuming that people possessing the necessary skill sets are in abundance, why doesn't someone do it?

I can understand why an entity like the US gov might not sanction such actions. But why doesn't a private entity take care of it in the spirit of 'All it takes for evil to triumph....' and rid the world of him? Ethical, moral reasons? No personal benefits? Not my business? Who are they to judge?

If we believe a bullet is warranted and justified, why doesn't someone do it?

Sorry, I know it's probably a stupid question. And I know it's a slippery slope. Yet, is there anyone who wouldn't have pulled the trigger on Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mussolini, others if they knew then what we know now? When is it okay to pull the trigger earlier rather than later?




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1) Not easy, but certainly viable.

2) What would be the point?

3) See answer to question 2).

4) See answer to question 2).

5) When pulling the trigger will actually eliminate the Bolsheviki, the Nazi Party and the Bolivarians. A lame-ass bus driver didn't rise to the top on the basis of non-existent skills, wisdom and experience.
 
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Ask Stalin & Kim. Starving people don't fight back.


Add unarmed.


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Ask Stalin & Kim. Starving people don't fight back.


Add unarmed.


That's right GW. Imagine if the public had been armed when the rock throwing revolt happened..... The suffering would long have been over and I dare say when juxtaposed to the lives and dignity lost to date, any loss from private firearms ownership would be puny.



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Use your vote unwisely to take stuff from the evil rich and give it to you for free and this is what happens. They voted for it, again and again.
I feel sorry for children, the rest, not so much. Very sad though.
I can't believe it hasn't blown up already.


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It will, but we're likely looking at years or unfortunately decades...

Please don't forget we have our own "useful idiots" doing the bidding of evil, not to mention the undoing of decades of our own country's brainwashing to deal with.




 
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There is a lot of concern with the state of the infrastructure when the time comes to reactivate the industry,” said Juan Carlos Sanchez, an environmental consultant in Caracas who used to work for the company. “PDVSA has been collapsing since 2016.”

To get it back on its operating feet in this one area may well require more money than Venezuela earned selling crude on the foreign market last year: $22 billion.


I wonder who they think is going to spend even a dollar? They nationalized the entire industry. Who would risk a buttload of money since it could be taken away again once the repairs are done?

No country is going to lend them money.

Their only chance is most likely with China. They will invest the money and take the oil. Let them try to nationalize them...

Which means, of course, that we will have to go in and "stabilize" the country with more American blood so that the big companies can go in and make billions. All to keep the Chinese out.
 
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...Their only chance is most likely with China...
They are already indebted to China. Future oil production belongs to China. Trouble is, without reinvestment, oil production is declining at an ever alarming rate. They will not be able to service the China debt.
 
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Not necessarily a bad thing. Production investment keeps the machinery working and makes it possible to exploit existing pools more efficiently. No investment, the machinery breaks down and improvements are impossible. No machinery and no improvements? The debt to the Chinese becomes unpayable and massive quantities of oil remain under the surface awaiting exploitation in happier times.
 
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0) Who will replace him? Who can provide a stable government? If that doesn’t happen, then Civil War and coups will create an ongoing bloodbath.

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1) Not easy, but certainly viable.

2) What would be the point?

3) See answer to question 2).

4) See answer to question 2).

5) When pulling the trigger will actually eliminate the Bolsheviki, the Nazi Party and the Bolivarians. A lame-ass bus driver didn't rise to the top on the basis of non-existent skills, wisdom and experience.



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It's the beginning of the end for Maduro...
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Trump Backs Venezuelan Opposition Leader As 'Acting President' In Chaotic Aftermath Of Attempted Coup

In the chaotic aftermath of the latest coup attempt against Nicolas Maduro, Venezuela's US-backed opposition leader Juan Guaido, the head of the Venezuelan assembly has proclaimed himself ‘acting president’ with the explicit backing of the US in what's looking more and more like a successful, US-backed coup.

"Today, January 23, 2019, I swear to formally assume the powers of the national executive as president in charge of Venezuela," Guaido said as crowds of people singing the national anthem converged in Caracas central square.

During a speech in Caracas, he promised to run the country until free elections can be held.

The defiant outburst comes shortly after Maduro started a new six-year term, and one day after Vice President Mike Pence urged Venezuelans to rise up against his corrupt regime.

Clashes have continued following a failed coup attempt organized by a group of National Guard soldiers who tried to unseat Maduro. In a retaliatory crackdown, Venezuelan police have blocked Internet access.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news...nt-chaotic-aftermath



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
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Clashes have continued following a failed coup attempt organized by a group of National Guard soldiers who tried to unseat Maduro. In a retaliatory crackdown, Venezuelan police have blocked Internet access.

I must have missed that. Was it an internal power struggle or another staged attempt to garner support for Maduro? Or was it that fake missile attack a while ago?

ETA: Sounds like a fake. 27 Bolivarian National Guardsmen kidnapped four officials in order to "steal weapons"? Yeah, right.

http://www.theguardian.com/wor...ed-military-uprising
 
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