They voted for it, let them live in their shit

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Originally posted by Edmond:
They voted for it, let them live in their shit

This.

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Originally posted by Edmond:
They voted for it, let them live in their shit

I’ve seen this sentiment before on this topic.

By that logic, YOU voted for Obama, feel free to live in shit.

I’ve stated it a dozen times, Venezuela is a classic case of the free shit crowd slightly outnumbering the working and middle class, and you are seeing the inevitable pushback now.

I’ll remember that now. To all of our members in non-free states, and those that might change in the future, there’s nothing to be done. Live in the shit!

EDIT: Hell, in 2016 3 million more individuals voted for Hillary. Thank the founding fathers for the EC, otherwise it would be shit for everyone!

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Originally posted by reloader-1:

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Originally posted by Edmond:
They voted for it, let them live in their shit

I’ve seen this sentiment before on this topic.

By that logic, YOU voted for Obama, feel free to live in shit.

I’ve stated it a dozen times, Venezuela is a classic case of the free shit crowd slightly outnumbering the working and middle class, and you are seeing the inevitable pushback now.

I’ll remember that now. To all of our members in non-free states, and those that might change in the future, there’s nothing to be done. Live in the shit!

EDIT: Hell, in 2016 3 million more individuals voted for Hillary. Thank the founding fathers for the EC, otherwise it would be shit for everyone!

While I absolutely did NOT vote for Oblunder, I do hear what you say.

On the one hand, I feel for the people of Venezuela caught in the cluster function there and would like to see their suffering end. On the other hand, I love to see our Leftists’ noses rubbed in it and would love to see their suffering grow exponentially.

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The worst thing Trump could do, politically, is likely the best thing he could to do alleviate the suffering of the people of Venezuela as quickly as possible — namely, to send in the Marines and take out Maduro’s government. There is little evidence that’s coming, particularly since the U.S. would never act alone in that regard and neither the Colombians or Brazilians, who would have to join in, appear interested. That means Venezuelans will have to overthrow the regime, something they won’t have the brawn to do without armaments or conditions getting considerably worse.

What may or may not be apparent to the Venezuelans (including Guaido) is that this changes (and can only change) when the Venezuelans themselves put together a viable armed resistance.

Time for a night drop of several thousand AK-47's, mags, and ammo by blacked out, unmarked transports. See if the resident victims still have the balls to save themselves. Our direct military intervention would be a huge mistake.

Maduro is beginning to look a lot like Saddam Hussein. May his fate be similar.

March 9, 2019

They're still in the dark in Venezuela, and it's really ugly

Socialism has always been about putting a society in a state of war — from the war pronouncements of its leaders yelling revolution to the socialist shortages otherwise seen only in wartime to the socialist efforts to turn neighbor against neighbor, both from class warfare and internal spies for the regime.

In Venezuela, there's a new front — the equivalent of an EMP attack, an attack on all the people, based on the massive and unprecedented electrical blackout still covering the country.

The Washington Post's thorough report on the matter is horrifying.

CARACAS, Venezuela — One of the severest power outages in Venezuelan history ravaged the country for a second day Friday, with hospital patients languishing in the dark, most supermarkets closed and phone service largely knocked out in the oil-rich but economically collapsing country.

Venezuela, which has been roiled by a political struggle between President Nicolás Maduro and opposition leader Juan Guaidó, has been hit by outages before. But the blackout that began Thursday evening is the longest and most widespread in recent memory, a sign of the rapid deterioration of the economy, which is expected to contract sharply in the next few weeks as U.S. sanctions on the oil industry begin to bite. Some analysts even worry that the country — once among the richest in South America — could face famine.

If you can imagine what an EMP attack would be like, this is it. The phones don't work. The ATMs and banks don't work, so there is no access to money. The internet doesn't work. The refrigerators don't work, so the food is spoiling. The subways don't work, so there is no going to one's job. The generators are failing at hospitals as staff struggle to keep them going and the patients are already dying. The preemies are losing their incubators. Nobody can get the doctors on the phone. The transport isn't working, and food is running out. The water isn't working, no water from the faucet, too bad if you get thirsty. The schools are all closed. And much of the staff with the expertise to fix the system have fled the country, while the money that could be used to hire someone from the U.S. or someplace similar to make the repairs has been stolen.

These reports describe the terrible conditions in just Caracas — in the rest of the country, the situation is reportedly far, far worse. And yes, the result looks as though it's going to be famine.

And coincidence of coincidences, it comes just as dictator Nicolas Maduro is under fire from millions and millions of Venezuelans to get out and allow acting president Juan Guaidó, who's there through democratic mechanisms, to take over. Guaidó returned to the country last week without much fuss and says he's calling for protests, and now the blackout has followed. The internet has been shut off, and the subways are out. Both of those things are instrumental in getting word out of protests and transporting protestors to locations. Shut. Down. How very convenient for Maduro. And by another coincidence, Maduro has had high-level contacts with Russians in recent weeks — and the Russians just happen to be the masters of blowing out power grids. Richard Fernandez has some excellent insights about this matter here.

Yes, it's all circumstantial to suggest that the socialist regime did this to itself. Surely, it was just incompetence, of which they are very capable. Or maybe the gringos, as Maduro claims. But if you look at who benefits from this vast power outage, it's obviously Maduro, who wants to stay in power at any cost. What's more, the socialist Chavista regime, as it exists today, has always had an unusual fascination with controlling the electrical system, dating back decades, as this tweet illustrates. And if you look at Maduro's heroes, who include the Castro brothers, the mullahs of Iran, and Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, it's pretty obvious that the one thing they all have in common is their longevity in power through starving their populations into submission. Would Maduro, backed into a corner by angry Venezuelans led by Guaidó, be capable of this? You bet he would.

Most of us don't want this, but the case rises for a U.S. Marine invasion to hose that socialist hellhole out. No regime should be allowed to blow out an entire country's modern infrastructue either through its own incompetence or by design, blame the yankees, and then starve their subjects into submission as a means of retaining power. No one.

Read more: https://www.americanthinker.co...y.html#ixzz5hhgAvU7s

The left won't take the blame for this debacle. They'll blame it on Yankee Imperialism and capitalism.
The Gringo's fault (that means us in the USA, by the way).

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...feel free to live in shit.

Guess you weren't paying attention.

We lived through eight years of it.

Still are fighting it, to undo it - and to prevent furtherance of it.

They voted for it in MUCH larger percentage than here. Well into the 90%+ percentile.

Apples and oranges. Try again.

Their suffering must continue until they realize they must now put their collective asses on the line and depose the dictator they supported.

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Originally posted by Jager:

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...feel free to live in shit.

Guess you weren't paying attention.

We lived through eight years of it.

Still are fighting it, to undo it - and to prevent furtherance of it.

They voted for it in MUCH larger percentage than here. Well into the 90%+ percentile.

Apples and oranges. Try again.

Their suffering must continue until they realize they must now put their collective asses on the line and depose the dictator they supported.

Jager, you probably don’t know this but I hold dual US and Venezuelan passports.

Where on earth did you draw the conclusion of 90%?!

Chávez won the 1998 election with 56% of the vote, and substantial allegations of fraud. Since then, every election has been completely rigged. The recall vote in 2004 was 58% to 41%, but by that point the entire election apparatus was firmly under their control.

Quite frankly, you are hallucinating if you believe that 90% number. Even in government controlled elections, with opposition parties banned (ala Russia) in 2018, they’ve never dared to credit more than 64% of the vote, and even that is laughable. This is definitely not an apples and oranges situation, sadly - it’s a peek into the future of the US if we don’t right the ship.

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Originally posted by reloader-1:

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Originally posted by Jager:

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...feel free to live in shit.

Guess you weren't paying attention.

We lived through eight years of it.

Still are fighting it, to undo it - and to prevent furtherance of it.

They voted for it in MUCH larger percentage than here. Well into the 90%+ percentile.

Apples and oranges. Try again.

Their suffering must continue until they realize they must now put their collective asses on the line and depose the dictator they supported.

Jager, you probably don’t know this but I hold dual US and Venezuelan passports.

Where on earth did you draw the conclusion of 90%?!

Chávez won the 1998 election with 56% of the vote, and substantial allegations of fraud. Since then, every election has been completely rigged. The recall vote in 2004 was 58% to 41%, but by that point the entire election apparatus was firmly under their control.

Quite frankly, you are hallucinating if you believe that 90% number. Even in government controlled elections, with opposition parties banned (ala Russia) in 2018, they’ve never dared to credit more than 64% of the vote, and even that is laughable. This is definitely not an apples and oranges situation, sadly - it’s a peek into the future of the US if we don’t right the ship.

I'm certain the subsequent elections were legit. Jimmy Carter always verifies those things and he hasn't uttered a peep about Venezuela.

Yeah, who ya gonna believe - Jimmy Carter or the Venezuelan Congress?

Has Occasional Cortez come out and said the only reason Venezuelan socialism isn't working is because it isn't the right kind of socialism yet?

I can tell you that complete darkness, as in Caracas right now, magnifies the fear tenfold. In 1990 in the revolution in Kathmandu, the revolutionaries went around in vehicles with bullhorns shouting "bizuli bati nirbalnus" = turn off all lights!

If you wanted to live, you turned off every light. Kathmandu was totally dark. Pitch black. In that darkness, shouts, screams, sounds of running, glass breaking, gunfire-- it is all magnified tenfold in terms of the fear it elicits.

I know these people elected Chavez, and Maduro, they chose socialism-- though I hear you, reloader 1-- but I feel sympathy for them tonight.

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Originally posted by justjoe:
I know these people elected Chavez, and Maduro, they chose socialism-- though I hear you, reloader 1-- but I feel sympathy for them tonight.

I'm going to modify your statement a bit, and grant that perhaps Chavez's first election was "won" by a minor majority.

There's no way in hell that Maduro has ever had the support of a majority of Venezuelans. None.

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
The left won't take the blame for this debacle. They'll blame it on Yankee Imperialism and capitalism.
The Gringo's fault (that means us in the USA, by the way).

They'll blame it on not-real-socialism.

It’d be great if we could ship all the liberals/Democrats/Socialist here in the US down to Venezuela. They could try to turn things around down there. Finally, the right people could be in charge. Wake me up when that happens.

More looting in Venezuela.

“Some Venezuelans have taken to looting supermarkets in Caracas during the fourth day of blackouts, which have paralysed the country.

Pictures reveal that some supermarkets in the capital have been left ransacked by desperate residents as they struggle to find food.

Security forces detained a number of people who were caught looting on Sunday, with some pictures showing looters being piled onto waiting trucks.

Armed men were seen forcefully escorting young men and women to the trucks…”

https://mol.im/a/6793585

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
More looting in Venezuela.

“Some Venezuelans have taken to looting supermarkets in Caracas during the fourth day of blackouts, which have paralysed the country.

I'm surprised that there were supermarkets that actually still had food in them.