She made her own choice, we made no such choice. She has for all intent renounced her citizenship, if she had it; and if she was not a citizen too bad. She wanted it so stay there.

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Hoda Muthana

From a 2016 article...

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ust last month, a Mississippi woman pleaded guilty to one count of conspiring to provide material support to a terrorist organization, and faces sentencing in the future. In January 2015, a 19-year-old Colorado woman was given a four-year prison sentence for making an effort to join the Islamic State.

As much as I'd personally like to see her rot in Syria, I believe we have to do this right, even if it is expensive. Bring her back, try her for treason, and execute her if she is convicted. We can fight evil of this magnitude only if we do not mimic it. No matter how sorry we look to some others in the world, Goddammit, we ARE The United States of America. The greatest idea and country ever.

Many things that people believe constitute treason don’t, legally, but helping an enemy make war against the U.S.? No doubt.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Many things that people believe constitute treason don’t, legally, but helping an enemy make war against the U.S.? No doubt.

Get a rope.

Let her rot there,she had the freedom to be stupid.
We can save the expense of a show trial and cost of feeding and caring for the rest of her miserable life

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Originally posted by braillediver:
18 U.S. Code § 2381. Treason:
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

This. Next.

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Originally posted by DennisM:
If she's a U.S. Citizen, she doesn't need "permission" to return. There may be some logistical problems to overcome, like difficulty confirming her true identity at the embassy/consulate overseas and the fact that no reputable carrier will transport her watch-list, terror-supporting, treason-encouraging ass anywhere.

Article notes that she lived in Alabama but doesn't specify where she was born, so I suspect she might not actually be a native or naturalized USC... in which case, suck it. And if she WAS a USC but legally renounced/expatriated once overseas, then suck it again.

8 USC 1481:

(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality ...

(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or
(3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if (A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States

Citizenship is a privilege that can be lost - swearing allegiance to the caliphate should be enoug to forfeit it.

Oops! Scratch my earlier comments.

Thanks DaveL for posting that. I don’t think we have something similar in Canada, much to my disappointment.
With that provision in your law, there is absolutely no way anyone should entertain having her come back.

I live a couple of miles from the City of Hoover and was there just today. I don't want her back and I bet a bunch of my neighbors would feel the same.

SCREW this woman.....she made her bed, now she should lay in it. She needs to stay with her ISIS husband and the rest of the Muslims.

Probably got tired of competing with the goats.

What's keeping her from returning? She can't afford passage back the US and expects the taxpayers to cover that? Or is she asking for immunity from prosecution upon arrival in the US before she make the trip?

All she has to do is go to Mexico and walk across the border just like millions of others. She will then become a member of a protected class.

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Originally posted by DaveL:

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Originally posted by DennisM:
If she's a U.S. Citizen, she doesn't need "permission" to return. There may be some logistical problems to overcome, like difficulty confirming her true identity at the embassy/consulate overseas and the fact that no reputable carrier will transport her watch-list, terror-supporting, treason-encouraging ass anywhere.

Article notes that she lived in Alabama but doesn't specify where she was born, so I suspect she might not actually be a native or naturalized USC... in which case, suck it. And if she WAS a USC but legally renounced/expatriated once overseas, then suck it again.

8 USC 1481:

(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality ...

(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or
(3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if (A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States


Citizenship is a privilege that can be lost - swearing allegiance to the caliphate should be enoug to forfeit it.

You'd hope it would be enough, right? But the State Department has historically (at least since the 1950s) been very, very reluctant to apply either of those provisions without a formal renunciation. Even then, they make it purposely involved and complicated, the goal being to make sure people REALLY, really know the full import of what they're doing.

My prediction: If she ever was a USC, State might delay or stall... but they're unlikely to prevent her from returning. They'll pass the buck by allowing her to come back, and she'll be promptly arrested for lightweight "material support" charges, the whole circus being carefully orchestrated between State, DHS, and DOJ.

Piers Morgan gets this one right.

“…Hoda Muthana, 24, left Alabama four years ago to go to an ISIS enclave in Raqqa, Syria. While she was there, she married not one, but three ISIS terrorists. The first two died while carrying out their barbaric activities, so she just wed another one. She has an 18-month-old baby son by the second husband.

Shamima Begum, 19, left London to go to a similar ISIS-held territory in Syria. She also married an ISIS terrorist. She claims to have had two babies that died, and has now just given birth to a third, a boy.

When ISIS was pummelled into virtual submission in Syria, these women washed up in the same refugee camp, al-Hol, in the north of the country.

Now, predictably, they both want to return to the safety of their original countries and live at OUR tax-payer expense…”

https://mol.im/a/6718019

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Originally posted by braillediver:
18 U.S. Code § 2381. Treason:
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

So the Dems will make her a candidate for something.



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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
Piers Morgan gets this one right.

Surprisingly, to most pro-RKBA folks, Piers Morgan gets most things right. In fact I think the only opinions I've seen from him with which I've disagreed were firearms-related.

She absolutely should not be allowed to return. I don't care how the State Department would parse it--in the eyes of the citizenry she renounced her US citizenship when she went to live with (and marry into) ISIS. She made a choice (a bad one) and should have to live with it.

flashguy