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This is not very accurate; having grown up in So. Cal, I know these areas well, especially Altadena, Sierra Madre, LaCanada/Flintridge, and these areas butt up into the foothills of the Angeles National Forest and San Gabriel Mountain system. Similar to the Oakland Hills, pluck out the houses and you have a wilderness area. Same with Pacific Palisades, Topanga, Coldwater, etc. All of these locations are like wilderness areas if you took out the houses. Got a text from my sister last night who lives in San Marino next to Pasadena- two houses we lived in as children, one in Altadena and the other in Sierra Madre, both neighborhoods are burnt down. Even in San Marino, she can see the flames. She says it is utter chaos in the area. Here is a neighborhood on fire. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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Rogue I take some offense to your analogy. People who "flee" Komifornia, myself included after 60 years of seeing it go down the toilet, leave because of the shit management/politics/etc. it has become. We "flee'ers" do not and will not move just to try and bring our politics/opinions/desires to another state. That's ludicrous. We left because California is a failed state and we wanted something better for ourselves that our current state offers...freedom. There is no conspiracy for Democrats/WOKES/etc. to flee, band together and create another Komifornia elsewhere. I know that's easy for people to think and believe but it just isn't so. Why would the handout liberals leave a place where they know they can get everything handed to them for free? I apologize to the members left behind in Komifornia if my comments offend but that is not my intention. I know many people cant leave for various reasons. My wife and I are so happy to be out of Komifornia at the expense of leaving our friends and family behind. But we enjoy or Republican, gun toting, 2nd Amendment, and like minded government officials. Stop and think about what you said, "take their fat insurance checks and move to another state". Yes, many might and I congratulate them. But I guarantee you those are the ones who are fed up with the Komifornia shit show and they just want to live in a free state. Our thoughts and prayers to those affected by the LA fires. 'I am the danger'...Hiesenberg NRA Certified Pistol Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Life Member | |||
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I watched full Adam show from the hotel last night. I’m sure he’s dead on about 3 years to just get permits. I think he’s over estimating how many of those progressives will get red pilled. I am a flee-er. 47 years lived in CA born and raised. 5th generation have ancestors that came out in 1860’s. There was no multi generational farm or business handed down to me. Between the taxes and insanity I had to leave. And now where I live in FL ( Matt Gaetz’ former district) its redder than any red place in the country. I’ll never be Floridian by birth and there’s people in my town that have family names that are almost 200 years deep in this county. I have to tell people I’m here as a refugee, Not a missionary and they shake my hand and welcome me. I never ever have said “ well in California we did x”. Or tried to be that way at all. Hell, tonight I’m going with a bunch of others in my neighborhood to the town hall meeting to protest a proposed development that will change yet more Ag property to commercial. I didn’t choose CA, I did choose here in FL western panhandle and lower Alabama. To embrace it, not to change it. | |||
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Not wanting to turn this political but there a lot of reasons why these fires are as bad as they are and the lack of prep to extinguish them A Progressive Hellscape Erick-Woods Erickson Jan 9 “February was the wettest month in downtown Los Angeles since 1998. With over 12 inches of rain drenching the city, it was the fourth-wettest February — and the seventh-wettest month overall — in the city’s nearly 150-year recorded history.” Judson Jones reported on Los Angeles’s weather on March 2, 2024, in the New York Times. Just under a year later, Los Angeles is on fire and the fire hydrants have run dry from a lack of water. Yes, a city by the sea does not have enough water. “In 2014, in the middle of a severe drought that would test California’s complex water storage system like never before, voters told the state to borrow $7.5 billion and use part of it to build projects to stockpile more water. Seven years later, that drought has come and gone, replaced by an even hotter and drier one that is draining the state’s reservoirs at an alarming rate. But none of the more than half-dozen water storage projects scheduled to receive that money have been built,” reported Adam Beam of the Associated Press on August 31, 2021. We are now a decade beyond that 2014 vote and the last reservoir built for Los Angeles was completed in 1979. Los Angeles is a victim of progressive mismanagement — something that for far too long its wealth could cover up. But now, the fires do not care if you are Republican or Democrat, rich or poor, progressive or conservative — they burn, in some cases up to four football fields of land a minute. The reservoir sending water to the fire hydrants is dry. The mountain brush has been unpruned for some time due to environmental sensitivities and lack of manpower. On December 16, 2024, Robert Schmad reported at the Washington Examiner that the U.S. Forestry Service had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on DEI workshops, all while failing to meet federal goals for forest management. The Associated Press reported back on June 27, 2023, that “federal land managers are scrambling to catch up after falling behind on several of their priority forests for thinning even as they exceeded goals elsewhere. And they have skipped over some highly at-risk communities to work in less threatened areas.” The AP continued, “Hindering the Forest Service nationwide is a shortage of workers to cut and remove trees on the scale demanded, government officials and forestry experts say.” On top of the inability of the Forest Service to hire staff, environmentalists have blocked efforts to control brush, including repeatedly filing lawsuits to stop clearing efforts and reservoir construction. Los Angeles set itself up for failure. In addition to dry fire hydrants, Los Angeles has a shortage of firefighters. Like the federal government, the city prioritized DEI over core competencies. Comedian Adam Carolla testified some time ago before a legislative hearing that the Los Angeles Fire Department told him it would take seven years to become a firefighter because he was white. Seven years after signing up to take the written test, he stood in line to take the test with a young black lady behind him. He testified he asked the young lady when she had signed up. “Wednesday,” she replied. It is not just that Los Angeles chose to elevate diversity concerns over fully staffing a fire department, but it also fired competent firefighters who would not take the COVID vaccine. In 2022, Los Angeles officials made a very big deal of hiring the first female and first openly gay fire chief in county history. Last year, the Los Angeles County Commission cut fire department budget by $17.6 million. But the fire department continued to spend over $1 million on a “racial equity plan” designed to “end systemic, institutional, and structural racism” within the fire department. On top of all the disastrous policies and progressive failures in the run up to today, California regulated fire insurance out of the state, prohibiting insurers from raising rates without state consent. The result has been a collapse in the ability to get fire insurance reasonably. California’s solution has been a state funded insurance program that is costly and inefficient. The state that has spent billions on a progressive high-speed rail idea has fired firefighters, failed to build new reservoirs, failed to cut back vegetation, and elevated diversity concerns over competence. Now, instead of appreciating progressivism is a recipe for disaster, they will blame global warming and, undoubtedly, Donald Trump. At the same time, I would encourage you not to wish what is happening to any of these people. While it may be the logical outcome of the policies a majority supported, but 1.2 million people in LA County voted for Trump and the fire does not distinguish between supporters and opponents. The rich, the poor, the famous, and the unknown are all suffering, and we should be praying for them and helping if we can, not mocking them or scoffing at them https://ewerickson.substack.co...rue&utm_medium=email | |||
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My apologies. That was poorly worded. It was directed at specifically the unreformed Democrats leaving California without having learned anything, and then trying to turn other states like Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Texas (and now Arkansas as one of the latest targets) into mini-Californias with the exact same policies and politics that caused the issues that led them to leave in the first place. I've seen it myself in Texas and now Northwest Arkansas where hordes of people who come from California complaining of high taxes, high home prices, poor government services, fiscal mismanagement, etc. then immediately start lobbying/rallying/voting in their new state for the exact same types of policies and candidates that led to that. Serious cognitive dissonance. Despite my initial use of the overly broad statement of "all the other Californians", I certainly wasn't meaning to aim it at all former Californians, many of whom are not hardcore liberals and who aren't bringing CA policies with them, yourself included. Just the ones that seem completely unable to learn from CA's example, despite being frustrated with what CA has turned into. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
Brutal, and worth a listen | |||
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This is the intersection filmed at around the 3:53 and 12:35 mark. What an absolute hellscape. I can’t imagine being a fire fighter and facing this. Seems like utter futility.  https://maps.apple.com/?addres...ZpYyBQYWxpc2FkZXM%3D What’s left of that at 700 Chapala Dr was a $6.9M house. I can’t even imagine what the insurance cost of this fire is going to be. Many billions. ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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No need to apologize. Your original comment was right on the money. A few examples not withstanding, the overall net cumulative effect of California voters leaving California has been to bring their political pollution with them. That fact cannot be disputed. The worst example is probably Colorado, a state that has been politically ruined by them. | |||
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Give them $700. "Ninja kick the damn rabbit" | |||
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That's some wild video. A couple of things struck me: Amidst all of the destruction, the street lights were still on. The firefighters were just stunned. They drove through the neighborhood slowly, and toward the end one is standing, and staring. There was really nothing they could do. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| No More Mr. Nice Guy |
It is bad here in Utah, too. Probably 2 mechanisms. One is the tech boom which has brought a ton of young techies from CA and straight from universities. They are not red-pilled refugees who are fleeing the madness. The other group would be older Californians who cashed out their multi-million dollar homes which they've owned for decades, to buy a big beautiful home in the Utah paradise. They, too, are not rejecting the progressive madness. A third, smaller group are the very wealthy who buy a multi-million dollar second home in one of the resort areas. In theory they don't vote here, but their money strongly influences things. They are bringing California culture, including bad driving and gridlock. | |||
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Brutal, yes, and spot on.
Damn straight. My ancestors homesteaded in Colorado, not long after it became a state. I've seen the change through my eyes, my parents' eyes, my grandparents' eyes. People relocating from Texas, Wyoming, and Montana probably didn't have much effect on this great state. But California.....shit. For decades the mantra was "Don't Californicate Colorado". And here we are. | |||
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I didn't see this posted, but the LA fire department is using women's purses to collect the residual water to throw water on fires. Vid at link. Breaks your heart to see them reduced to this because of governmental incompetence and corruption. https://x.com/bennyjohnson/sta...364457111769196?mx=2 | |||
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https://x.com/bonchieredstate/.../1877356125672100250 ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Razorfist says: Too bad to the 20% conservative Californians. Vote with your feet. OK, but the problem is these people are going to have to be defeated, one way or the other. In one place or another. If you can't defeat them in California you're going to have to deal with their bullshit in Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Texas and now Arkansas. Yeah, I wish the "progressives" (regressives) would just stay in California. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Dang man, you just ruined that nice mellow, enjoying the coffee moment. Worst part is you're probably right, at least with respect to far too damned many of them.  | |||
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AZ has been suffering with DemonRAT Californicators for decades and it will only get worse after these fires. %$*&@#!!! ________________________________________________________ The trouble with trouble is; it always starts out as fun. | |||
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urbanwarrior238, I think you are misinterpretting Rogue's comments. He was responding to someone saying that the experience was going to redpill some of these folks whose voting is at least partly responsible for destroying California. He said that no, those folks won't change, they'll just bring their stupidity and poor voting to whatever more rational state they invade. That isn't to say that everyone who flees CA will be a libtard piece of trash, just that the libtard pieces of trash are unlikely to be cured by the experience. I think it was the Adam Carolla video were he said 80 percent of the Palisades was blue voters. So 20% of those burned out might not be insane, but the experience of getting burned out is unlikely to bring sanity to the other 80 percent. ETA: We all carry out biases with us wherever we go. I just hope that if I ever manage to escape this communist shithole there is still somewhere remaining to flee to where I won't seem right of Attila the Hun. | |||
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I think there's a distinction with these fires, these are built-up areas with all the modern amenities & infrastructure...this isn't Paradise or Redding which were truly within the wildland interface zones. The San Gabriels as you know are more 'wilderness' than the Santa Monicas, where every piece of property that isn't within the parkland property, has home properties squeezed side-by-side into every narrow canyon and perched onto every ridgeline & mesa. The density of the homes in these areas, combined with homeowner encouraged vegetation growth, poor management of fire fighting resources and the annual Santa Ana winds all conspired to the Swiss cheese effect to form a perfect conflagration. My condolences to your sister and her family, that area of LaCanada/San Marino/Pasadena is one of the few regions in SoCal that I enjoyed spending time, it stoodout amongst the sea of vapidness of that region. | |||
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Those are the two main mechanisms causing folks to filter into NW AR from CA as well. Walmart and all its associated vendors = tons of business/tech jobs for the younger educated liberals, and growing by the minute. In addition to WM HQ itself, WM requires that anyone that does business with WM has to have a satellite office in NW AR, so there are thousands of other brands with offices here. Speeding that further along is the fact that Walmart is in the process of closing their CA campus and forcing all those existing CA residents to move to the new home campus over here (or quit). And comparatively inexpensive land and housing = Folks are tempted by the fact they can sell their 70 year old 1200 sq. ft. CA house for $1.5M, move to NW AR, buy a new 4000 sq. ft. house for half that or a new 2000 sq ft house for a quarter of that, and pay a lot less in taxes too. Luckily, we're not as inundated as a number of other states. Yet. | |||
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