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Originally posted by trapper189:

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Originally posted by smlsig:
Another way is to build using fire resistant materials like concrete and metal. Given the cost of rebuilding going to concrete and steel will not add too much if you want to live “in paradise”

Any idea how fire resistant ICF with stucco on the exterior wall, a metal roof, and solid Hardiboard soffit is? The roof is closed cell foam under the sheathing to the walls, so no ridge vent and the soffit doesn't need holes.

Building above code is what we're doing down here. That's how my dad's new house was built, and how my brother's new house is being built. They could meet code for a lot less money, but we have enough experience with hurricanes to know better.

Yes those materials are very fire retardant. We’ve built many homes that way and to my knowledge have never had any issues. In fact, a home that I’m consulting on (I’m retired now) was using ICF for the wall and foundations and had zero damage when Helene hit the Asheville area even though their neighbors had significant damage.

Iowa needs to close its borders

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environmental laws that could have posed obstacles to rebuilding structures destroyed by the Southern California wildfires will be temporarily suspended.

Just to follow the logic of the leftists:

This event was caused by climate change.

We need environmental laws to stop climate change.

We are suspending these laws so that we can rebuild our homes which were destroyed as a result of climate change.

Thus, we will contribute to more climate change which will end up destroying what we just rebuilt.

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Originally posted by sourdough44:
Don’t you think a fair number will use this to exit the State, for better or worse.

Sometimes, I think that is exactly what they are trying to do.

I know there are plenty of loons in political office in California that appear to be calling the shots regarding how the state is run. I can't help believing that behind all of the political incompetence lies the real power in the state that would love nothing more than to drive regular folks out of the state. Developers waiting to gobble up property that under normal circumstances would never be sold. California without the dysfunction is pretty damn nice place to live.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
Just to follow the logic of the leftists...

Religions are about faith, not logic.

interesting

watching KTLA and guess who is giving an update?

Kristin Crowley, Chief of LAFD

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Originally posted by Jupiter:

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Originally posted by sourdough44:
Don’t you think a fair number will use this to exit the State, for better or worse.

Sometimes, I think that is exactly what they are trying to do.

I know there are plenty of loons in political office in California that appear to be calling the shots regarding how the state is run. I can't help believing that behind all of the political incompetence lies the real power in the state that would love nothing more than to drive regular folks out of the state. Developers waiting to gobble up property that under normal circumstances would never be sold. California without the dysfunction is pretty damn nice place to live.

It's a beautiful place! I was just in San Clemente / San Onofre / Oceanside / Camp Pendleton area last weekend. Weather, mountains, beach, ocean, great food - incredible. But the damn people... Fuckin loons.

My Lil Brother just retired from the Marines, and wants to stay out there because of the surfing. He knows the price of everything is so much higher, but is willing to pay for the view and the ocean. I don't know how he puts up with the politics.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
I can't help believing that behind all of the political incompetence lies the real power in the state that would love nothing more than to drive regular folks out of the state. Developers waiting to gobble up property that under normal circumstances would never be sold. California without the dysfunction is pretty damn nice place to live.

Keep in mind its the failed idea of 'rules/regulations for ye', not for thee'
Many of those affected by these fires, have voted against their best interests and donated towards those causes so nobody else can enjoy also. Demanding stiffer environmental regulations, more carve-outs for social programs, additional scrutiny in building and construction but, because they're comfortably settled, they don't have to worry about the repercussions of their votes. How many of them donate regularly to Sierra Club, ClimateWorks Foundation, The Trust for Public Land, Surfrider Foundation, etc...
Now that their home is destroyed, they're gonna have to rebuild but...all those organizations who they donated to, who aggressively worked with local and state legislators on all sorts of new laws, are now going to fight them. Not only is all sorts of city-planning and engineer groups going to get involved but, all the environmental groups, will get to weigh-in on who gets what. The words, 're-imagine', 'building back better', using the 2.0 suffix will be tossed around for all these bright ideas.

I have no way to confirm this, however, it is damned concerning if true.

https://x.com/TonySeruga/status/1879190459932975326

I have a feeling there is alot of under the table money changing hands now between those in power and huge corporations that build/develop housing subdivisions. I suspect they are going to pick up alot of land at literally dirt cheap prices and build some massively large, exclusive and expensive subdivisions in the Palidsades area. Suspending bureaucratic red tape/California environmental laws by the governor sounds like part of the deal...

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Keep in mind its the failed idea of 'rules/regulations for ye', not for thee'
Many of those affected by these fires, have voted against their best interests and donated towards those causes so nobody else can enjoy also. Demanding stiffer environmental regulations, more carve-outs for social programs, additional scrutiny in building and construction but, because they're comfortably settled, they don't have to worry about the repercussions of their votes. How many of them donate regularly to Sierra Club, ClimateWorks Foundation, The Trust for Public Land, Surfrider Foundation, etc...
Now that their home is destroyed, they're gonna have to rebuild but...all those organizations who they donated to, who aggressively worked with local and state legislators on all sorts of new laws, are now going to fight them.

The Democrat party is a mob structure. There are "bosses" to whom you must pay protection money if you want something done.

Some of these people who have been loyal Democrats are going to come to the realization that their interests collide with the interests of people who make bigger contributions than they do.

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Jose Gerardo Escobar attempted to start a fire on January 10th, around 11:30 pm at Pioneer Park near the foothills of Azusa, California.

GPS connected Escobar with the accused propane torch arsonist Juan Manuel Sierra-Leyva in the same immediate vicinity on 11 occasions.

Both men are associated with two foot soldiers of the Sinaloa cartel and a number of border invasion facilitating NGOs.

So...terrorists.

Give them a fair trial within the week, and hang them.

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Originally posted by Sacramento Johnson:
I have a feeling there is alot of under the table money changing hands now between those in power and huge corporations that build/develop housing subdivisions. I suspect they are going to pick up alot of land at literally dirt cheap prices and build some massively large, exclusive and expensive subdivisions in the Palidsades area. Suspending bureaucratic red tape/California environmental laws by the governor sounds like part of the deal...

Palisades was already quite an exclusive place just by geography and the sheer number of households; the average home price was between $3-4m. The only way to have made it more exclusive was to put in gates and walls but....you know that's undemocratic.

The leftist push is for more high-density multi-story housing, elimination of large lots, reduce garage sizes, more parks and public transit all over the place. There will be those who are die-hard 'city can do no wrong' types, they wanna rebuild, they'll come out with some pathetic statements about 'committing to rebuild'"building back better more responsibly'; instead what will result will be modernist, concrete & glass edifices without any character or, charm shoehorned onto redesigned lots because the county is going to want to 'update things underneath'. Those who are put-off by the red-tape will move to LA South Bay, up to West Hills/Calabases/Thousand Oaks area or Orange County.

Now the Palisades residences are wealthier than the Altadena residents, Altadena is going to turn into some urban-planning disaster because the county can push around those who aren't as well off...even though many the victims are solidly middle-class.

LA 2.0 used every buzzword in the book and all with waving hand-gestures, jesus christo!

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I'm gonna laugh when the county requires residents to rebuild smaller houses and force them to build an ADU to house the homeless.

That would be funny.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
. . . logic of the leftists . . .

First, only partially joking, response: There is no such thing.

Second, more serious, response: All that green horseshit is about power and money. Temporarily suspending it so that folks can rebuild is intended to hold onto power by avoiding an outright revolt by the thousands of affected folks who are all in the same boat at the same time.

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Temporarily suspending it so that folks can rebuild is intended to hold onto power by avoiding an outright revolt by the thousands of affected folks who are all in the same boat at the same time.

Absolutely! The Cali elite (.stategov) would be raked over the coals by the masses if they pull too much shit.

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Originally posted by Russ59:
I'm gonna laugh when the county requires residents to rebuild smaller houses and force them to build an ADU to house the homeless.

That would be funny.

You know they'd do something like that.

Put in an ADU and rent it out to either section-8 or, other gov low-income/homelss assistance and we'll fast track all your permits.
Nevermind the only grocery stores in the neighborhood is a Gelson's and Erewhon

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Nevermind the only grocery stores in the neighborhood is a Gelson's and Erewhon

A what and a what?

^^^^ High end groceries. If you have to ask how much things cost, you can't afford it kind of place.

That’s one big problem with rebuilding, permitting and regulation. CA has much more Government than the average State.

Any changes still will not be enough, I’d take my cash & go.