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Regarding haul away - You could incentivize it. Allow the government to haul everything away down to bare dirt and your lot will be ready for reconstruction in a month. Decide to sort through all of the debris, take as long as you need, but the homeowner will be responsible for cleanup, sorting, dumping permits and government inspections prior to starting rebuilding. Some may choose the former plan.


After the Floyd riots the city would bulldoze any building remains left standing if they deemed them unsafe. They would doze it, clean it up and send the building owners an invoice for thousands of dollars for city services. File that under you can't make this shit up.


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He got a lot of flack leading up to the election, saying the paper would not endorse a candidate and squashing a raft of anti-Trump editorials. A number of editors and lead writers left and a few thousand subscribers cancelled their subscription. He's the voice of sanity down there, only the most naive and foolhardy are defending Bass.

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Those lots aren't going to sell for anywhere near what they were worth pre-fire. The $600,000 house on a $3,000,000 lot thinking works when one house burns up, not when the whole neighborhood for a mile around goes.

Lenders require insurance and what insurer will provide insurance in those areas?

That leaves people who can afford to buy a lot, build a house, and afford to take the chance it's going to burn down again.
 
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Those lots aren't going to sell for anywhere near what they were worth pre-fire. The $600,000 house on a $3,000,000 lot thinking works when one house burns up, not when the whole neighborhood for a mile around goes.

Lenders require insurance and what insurer will provide insurance in those areas?

That leaves people who can afford to buy a lot, build a house, and afford to take the chance it's going to burn down again.


Another way is to build using fire resistant materials like concrete and metal. Given the cost of rebuilding going to concrete and steel will not add too much if you want to live “in paradise”


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Another way is to build using fire resistant materials like concrete and metal. Given the cost of rebuilding going to concrete and steel will not add too much if you want to live “in paradise”


Any idea how fire resistant ICF with stucco on the exterior wall, a metal roof, and solid Hardiboard soffit is? The roof is closed cell foam under the sheathing to the walls, so no ridge vent and the soffit doesn't need holes.

Building above code is what we're doing down here. That's how my dad's new house was built, and how my brother's new house is being built. They could meet code for a lot less money, but we have enough experience with hurricanes to know better.
 
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There was a fire in North Colorado Springs a few years back. The fire would get close to "fire resistant" houses and the exterior wouldn't burn. However, it caught the window drapes on fire through the glass. Several houses burned from the inside out.
 
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LA is full of bureaucrats who thrive on bureaucracy. It will be an absolute nightmare for homeowners to obtain permits to demolish what's left, get remediation testing for asbestos and anything else toxic on a site by site basis.

Every agency in LA wants to put their stink on the process and I can easily see ruble still on the ground a year later. It's how LA works.

Those reservoirs that CA voted a bond for 10 years ago? They were to capture water in 8 different reservoirs for critical use. Guess how many have been constructed? Not a single one because they are still under review and in the bureaucratic process. 10 years to build water storage and nothing has been built.

The value for the Palisades homes is the land and the views. Maybe just sell the land and move. Trees and everything else is gone. There's no more Palisades left.

I expect the beachfront Malibu residents will have a hard time rebuilding. California Coastal Commission are unelected group with the sole mission of preserving the entire CA coast.

These are these same group that tried to shut down Musk from launching satellites from Vandenburg AFB over sound waves that could disrupt the wildlife.
 
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I think the second part of this disaster is still coming. Those hills are stripped of everything. If we start getting rain next month and it is heavy, we could see the second part of this disaster… Even with vegetation, some of those areas see heavy runoff. I don’t want to see what happens without vegetation.


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So, part of the reason the reservoir was empty is due to State and Federal regulations on drinking water. See here:
https://www.ladwp.com/communit...ke-reservoir-complex
And here:
https://www.ladwp.com/communit...dworks-water-complex
 
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And they won't be anywhere near prepared for the land slides
( That have been going on for thirty five years as well)


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It's their extremly poor decision making that rises up ,year after year after year after year.





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Fire currently burning on MCAS Miramar in San Diego. Fire is south of the main runways, east of the cross-wind runway, and heading towards the [training] weapons loading area and city dump (both to the west of the fire)

https://fox5sandiego.com/news/...reported-in-miramar/






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The claim to be able to learn,

They learn where to best direct public funds for their own personal advantage.



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Those lots aren't going to sell for anywhere near what they were worth pre-fire. The $600,000 house on a $3,000,000 lot thinking works when one house burns up, not when the whole neighborhood for a mile around goes.

Lenders require insurance and what insurer will provide insurance in those areas?

That leaves people who can afford to buy a lot, build a house, and afford to take the chance it's going to burn down again.

I wouldn't be too sure.

There is going to be a lot less available property because it is unlikely that they will issue permits to build on the west side of the PCH. They've been trying to clear that for years, so this fire has been highly expedient for the Coastal Commission.

So now all the lots fronting the east side of the PCH are going to go up in value. I can easily see folks trying to buy adjoining lots to build larger homes with more set back from the highway.

Of course this will have to wait to see how much shift they'll get when it rains




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Hanson's observations are particularly apt in this instance since he is a life-long Californian.



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Not a new thing....

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Newsom suspends CA environmental law to eliminate 'roadblocks' for wildfire victims rebuilding homes
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In response to concerns that environmental protection efforts might delay reconstruction in the coastal area, environmental laws that could have posed obstacles to rebuilding structures destroyed by the Southern California wildfires will be temporarily suspended.

Houses along the scenic Pacific Coast Highway in California burned down in a monstrous fire that destroyed more than 10,000 homes and structures beginning on Jan. 7.

"We’re afraid they won’t let us rebuild," said Teddy Leonard, owner of Reel Inn, a seafood restaurant serving on the Malibu coast since the 1980s that burned down in January. "It’s very scary."

California law currently requires that people looking to build undergo a lengthy environmental review process before receiving approval, but state officials say the process will not apply to victims of the recent fire seeking to rebuild their lost structures.

The California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) requires that a review be conducted to weigh any potential environmental effects before a building permit is approved. Another state law, the California Coastal Act, focuses on development as it relates to "the preservation of sensitive coastal and marine habitat and biodiversity."

Both laws were halted on Sunday for those who tragically lost their homes after Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom signed an executive order to suspend the environmental review process.

"When the fires are extinguished, victims who have lost their homes and businesses must be able to rebuild quickly and without roadblocks," Newsom said in a statement.

"The executive order I signed today will help cut permitting delays, an important first step in allowing our communities to recover faster and stronger. I’ve also ordered our state agencies to identify additional ways to streamline the rebuilding and recovery process," he added.

CEQA has received pushback over the years from critics, including environmentalists, who say it is restrictive and expensive.

"I don’t think that anybody really thinks that CEQA works exactly how it’s supposed to," Eric Buescher, an attorney with San Francisco Baykeeper, an environmental nonprofit working to "hold polluters accountable," said in 2022 about the state law, according to local outlet Bay Nature.

"Developers say it is way too restrictive. Cities say it’s expensive and impossible to comply with," Buescher said. "Environmental groups say you can’t even get a project that is going to be built for sea level rise reviewed in time for sea level rise."

Many of the Malibu homes that were destroyed by the fires were located on the beach along the Pacific Coast Highway, and their reconstruction could be subject to local land regulations designed to preserve the natural coastline.

President Biden announced on Thursday the federal government would cover all costs of debris removal and California’s fire management for 180 days.
 
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The California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) requires that a review be conducted to weigh any potential environmental effects before a building permit is approved.


This makes sense, let's evaluate the impact of rebuilding on the scorched moonscape, totally devoid of life that remains.




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"NEW: LA Times owner Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong says it was a mistake for his paper to endorse Karen Bass, says competent people should be elected, not professional politicians."

CHOKE ON IT CALIFORNIA!
All the way down to the balls!
The unfortunate thing is: it takes a disaster of this magnitude for people to realize that this liberal, dei, "worried about your feelings", "everyone gets a trophy" bullshit just ain't working.

I predict that these fires will change things slightly. Eventually things will head back towards the left out there. People just won't change. They will revert back to their bullshit leftist way of thinking.


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Don’t you think a fair number will use this to exit the State, for better or worse.
Say you are retired, no reason to stay, then you are fortunate to collect insurance $$ for the full value?

With regulation, permitting, insurance, booked contractors, seems time to look elsewhere. Yeah, I realize the dangers of bringing CA with them.
 
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