We've been reading and hearing the dire predictions of manmade global warming for 35 years, at least. So far, nothing even remotely close to these predictions have happened. The coastlines remain the same overall, Vanuatu is still the same, as are the beaches I frequent.

So, no, I don't buy it. I do know that when those in the highest echelons of government, and the civilian elites, tell the world that we have great worldwide emergencies whose only remedies are bigger government, more control and higher taxes, the "emergency" is pure BS.


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I grew up in north central Montana 40 miles from Canada, and southern Idaho through HS and college. After that I moved out to Portland and lived there for just shy of 45 years before returning to Idaho last year. In all three areas there has been a definite warming trend. Warmer summers, milder winters. Look it up. Storms are becoming (slightly) more severe and more frequent. Look it up. Wildfires, same thing.

40 years is not meaningful. It does appear on the timescale of a human life that things are moving in one direction, yet it is just a small variation within much longer timescales.

The 1930's were way warmer than the 1970's. We had some big snowstorms in the 70's. That's why there were predictions of an ice age by 2000. People who were young in the 1930's remembered how hot it was, and noticed how much cooler it had gotten by the late 1970's.

And that's just in one part of the world.

Check out the glaciers in Alaska. They've had big increases as well as decreases in the last century. You'll see photos of now vs before which look bad, but those are cherry picked out of very short time frames.

Cyclical weather patterns, that's all. Some years of warming and cooling, some years of more frequent and intense storms. The earth has never had stable, predictable weather patterns. There seems to be a belief that prior to the industrial revolution we lived in the Garden of Eden, where the earth's temperature was set to 70 degrees, and only rare instances of severe weather ever occurred.

better put your boots on

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If the sea level were really rising, shouldn't it at least be lapping at the base of the Statue of Liberty's pedestal?

if sea levels were rising, why is Plymouth Rock still above water?

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:

if sea levels were rising, why is Plymouth Rock still above water?

It floats.

That’s the audacity of the leftie commies. The try to convince us something we can see with our own eyes is not true. Unfortunately, there are those who cannot be bothered to think for themselves and thus have their knowledge spoon fed to them by these traitors.

The Reaganites among us know more government never fixed anything.

RMD

The seal levels have risen and fallen via 100 and 1000s of feet, as well as land masses, continental shelves, the sea floor, multiple times over thousands of millennium. IT's WHAT OCEANS DO. Places you currently live near any coast were at one time completely under water, and at other times came out of the water, and went under again, and so on. AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO, no matter what anyone thinks or says about it, and there's NOTHING we can do about it. If you're afraid of drowning any time soon, move to the mountains, even though you'll be long gone before you start swimming. Good lord people.

I read a nice report today. It was linked on Powerline blog.com; it’s from the great wattsupwiththat.com.

Link

An anonymous internet troll has tried to debunk May and Crok’s paper on how rising CO2 levels are not important.
They fisk his debunking. Makes for entertaining reading.

My 2-cents based upon my Masters Degree in Environmental Science from University of Texas at Dallas (UTD) 1978.

We were taught about climate cycle epochs going back many millions of years based upon ice core probes, geologic rock studies and sediment core samples deep in the earth. Looking at amounts of trace gases in the samples. CO2 was level was 4-5 times higher and global temperature was higher when the dinosaurs roamed the earth. The earth has a history of hot and cold cycles going back 100's of millions of years.

Yes, the climate changes over time caused by earth/ocean and solar events but in the past 70 years the ruling class "cause of the day" gets the most papers written and published to support that cause. I imagine it would be difficult to get funding now to publish anti-Man-caused Global warming papers.
In the 1970's there was some talk of the coming Global Cooling that did not happen.
Volcanic eruptions are believed to be main cause of many chemical compounds put into atmosphere over eons.
In my dated studied opinion, pollution is real and should be addressed but man-caused global warming is BS and it is a political ploy for control.

Old thread warning!

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Was Climate Change Greatest Financial Scandal in History?

Environmental scholar Bjorn Lomborg recently calculated that across the globe, governments have spent at least $16 trillion feeding the climate change industrial complex.

And for what?

Arguably, not a single life has been or will be saved by this shameful and colossal misallocation of human resources.

The war on safe and abundant fossil fuels has cost countless lives in poor countries and made those countries poorer by blocking affordable energy.

Since the global warming crusade started some 30 years ago, the temperature of the planet has not been altered by one-tenth of a degree — as even the alarmists will admit.

In other words, $16 trillion has been spent — a lot of people got very, very rich off the government largesse — but there is not a penny of measurable payoff.

But it's much worse than that. In economics there is a concept called opportunity cost:

—What could we have done with $16 trillion to make the world better off?

—What if the $16 trillion had been spent on clean water for poor countries?

—Preventing avoidable deaths from diseases like malaria?

—Building schools in African villages to end illiteracy?

—Bringing reliable and affordable electric power to the more than 1 billion people who still lack access?

—Curing cancer?

Many millions of lives could have been saved.

We could have lifted millions more out of poverty.

The benefits of speeding up the race for the cure for cancer could have added tens of millions of additional years of life at an economic value in the tens of trillions of dollars.

Instead, we effectively poured $16 trillion down the drain.

For this reason, it is important that we identify the green "climate change" derangement syndrome as perhaps the most inhumane political movement in history.

The people at the Sierra Club, the Environmental Defense Fund and the United Nations, and politicians like Al Gore, Joe Biden and John Kerry who voted for and carried out this Green New Deal scam, should be placed on a wall of shame.

Biden's administration alone wasted $400 billion on green energy and other sham climate change programs.

The one sliver of good news is that it appears the climate change neuroses have finally started to subside.

We've reached peak global warming craziness in the U.S., for sure, and even Europe seems to have turned its back on its economically masochistic net zero fossil fuels obsession.

Donald Trump is wisely and rapidly dismantling the climate change industrial complex.

Of all his pro-growth economic policies, there may be none with a higher longtime payoff than his recent order to repeal the mother of all costly regulations: the anti-fossil fuels "endangerment rule" taxing carbon dioxide emissions.

The cost of that regulation had been estimated to exceed $1 trillion over time.

We can't recapture the $16 trillion wasted on a false crisis.

Sunk costs are, alas, sunk.

But we can stop the madness of actually believing that politicians who can't even pay off the balance on their credit cards can somehow change the world's temperature.

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Man is certainly capable of messing up small parts of the planet. An example right here in this country is Owens Lake, eastern California. A once full lake and river valley that was navigable by steamboat and lush and green was sucked dry of its water by Los Angeles and turned into a desert wasteland. When the wind kicks up - which it does big time in March, April and well into May - dust from the lake bottom blows everywhere. Man is not capable of altering the climate of the entire planet.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:

if sea levels were rising, why is Plymouth Rock still above water?

It floats.

It’s been moved, by people, several times over the last few centuries.

The earth is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, and man was never on the moon.

I think the issue was best described by the sage philosopher:

"Ho ho, very funny, ha ha, it is to laugh."

Daffy Duck

30% of the worlds pollution originates in China.

Fix that and maybe I'll listen.

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30% of the worlds pollution originates in China.

Fix that and maybe I'll listen.

Well that's where 30% of the stuff is made.

Saw this post on a UK forum, can't vouch for the accuracy but my hunch is it probably is.

The facts are;
1) $16t has been spent on “climate change”
2) The climate has not changed as a result
3) The world uses exactly the same proportion of organic fuels (85%) as it did when the scam started
4) last year, the world burnt more organic fuels than ever before in its entire history
5) not one single climate catastrophe prediction has come true
6) deaths from weather related events have fallen 99%
7) paying more tax does not change the weather
9) China produces more co2 on its own than the whole of the rest of the world
10) luckily, the only impact of that is plants grow more quickly
11) China produces as much co2 in 9 days as Britain does on a year
12) see 10
13) the Met office has been caught making up temperature data - again.
13) Micheal Mann has been completely discredited for lying to juries
14) the Arctic was not ice free in 2015
15) despite predictions otherwise, kids have had plenty of snow to play in
16) the East Anglia climate gate scandal was in 2009, where they were definitively proven to make climate shit up so it looked like the world was warming. It wasn’t.
17) regardless of anything humans do, the climate will always change

True, China and India, each having around a billion more people than we do and older and less clean stuff, emit far more crap than western countries.
I'm also old enough to remember back in the 70's and 80's they were equally insistent that we were going to end all human life because of global cooling and overpopulation.
Now they say that was never a claim but I'm a living witness that it too is BS.

Like many, I believe the Earth’s climate has been fluctuating since this Little Rock was created. Do I believe that anthropogenic climate change is an existential threat to humanity? No! Yes, I want to keep this planet beautiful and as pollution free as possible but the climate alarmists treat climate change as a religion with the cabal of elites (governments) as their gods.