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Originally posted by kimber1911:
If you believed that Global Warming was going to cause Sea Level rise and devastation would you purchase this house?

29 Acres of Beach front property on Martha’s Vineyard island for $14.9 million.


The Obamas Did - Think About it Janet

^^^^first thing to lease after winning the lottery - a couple dozen billboards placed around the country with this on it. ^^^^

you have to ask yourself the following question

if global warming were real, do you think Al Gore or Leonard DiCaprio would be the spokesperson?

seriously....Gore has never told the truth in his entire life, but on this he does?

no real scientific evidence supports anthropogenic global warming, and the real evidence supports dozens of ice ages in history...long before we were walking upright on this planet

and while we're at it, lets talk about glaciers

what makes you think that glaciers actually belong on this planet under normal conditions - and their shrinking might actually be a good thing

not so much that people are drastically changing large weather patterns,
but humans inability to evolve.

you can't pave 700 square miles of houston and NOT expect it to flood,
with out soil, the water has to find a place to go,
like buildings.

now if all of houston buildings were on the third story of a parking ramp, there would be no where near the concerns about flooding .

you can't fill lakes ,rivers and streams with silt for 60 years and NOT expect them to over flow with water.

if people would make any kind of an effort to control silt from farms and construction ,
again very few concerns.

its kinda up to the humans.

someone here had a thread about how mother nature is almost always gonna win

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And by the way, all the models are U.N.-(un)reliable... big shocker, right?


Propagation of Error and the Reliability of Global Air Temperature Projections

In short, climate models cannot predict future global air temperatures; not for one year and not for 100 years. Climate model air temperature projections are physically meaningless. They say nothing at all about the impact of CO₂ emissions, if any, on global air temperatures.

https://www.frontiersin.org/ar...eart.2019.00223/full

Have not read all the responses but am reminded of a trip wife and I made across the northern part of the US about 5 decades ago.

Driving along the highway we saw a LOT of big boulders piled up along the northern edge of the highway. I was curious so when we stopped for lunch I asked the folks in the diner about it.

They said that that line of boulders was where the glaciers stopped their southern movement all those years ago.

All those boulders had been carried by glaciers and deposited when those glaciers stopped moving and melted.

Not to mention the Antarctic (?) ice core samples that proved multiple "ice ages".

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Prior to this creation these fires were low intensity fires that generally burned the underbrush and smaller trees and left a healthy forest and eventually burned themselves out.

As I recall, the forest service used to do "controlled burns" which removed much of the tinder for large fires. I had family members who participated (worked with the forest service) in those campaigns. When those controlled burns were ended all that stuff continued to build up and when something ignited a fire it promptly exceeded man's ability to stop it. A number of forest service workers and other firefighters were burned to death fighting those fires.

Climate change had shit to do with those fires. Some of them were caused by human actions, some by lightening storms, etc. that had nothing to do with climate change BS.

In my view, the idea that mankind cause climate change is beyond dumb/stupid.

That is not to say that we should just go out and do whatever damage we feel like in the woods, oceans, etc.

I remember some years ago when deer hunting seasons were shorter and bag limit was one, and only bucks. Then, after a few years it was discovered that the deer populations were exploding and out of control. 1000s of deer were killed when struck by cars.

Last time I checked, many parts of Virginia for example, the bag limit was 6 deer and in some areas it was required that at least 3-4 of those deer were females.

A few years ago I was on a tour of the Grand Canyon which was headed by a professional, degreed geologist. Her view of history was seen in geological times; Earth is approximately 4.6 billion years old. It's really quite a young planet. As such, it's still got a molten core, which continues to cool (I wonder if they still teach this in school?). Volcanoes are the proof of this.

Tectonic shifts cause earthquakes, which in turn explain continental drift. The Colorado Plateau is a large body of land that once existed under water. As explained to me, the goal of every drop of water is to find its way to sea level. Constant climate change caused freezing and thawing, and the water eroded through the rock, ultimately carving the Grand Canyon, which is (geologically speaking) a very young formation.

While walking out to Bright Angel Point on the North Rim, our geologist pointed out to us the fossilized remains of sea creatures. Sea creatures a mile above sea level? Yep. Climate change has been occurring since the formation of the planet, and continues to this day as the Earth continues to cool.

Of the 4.6 billion years spent rotating around Sol, man's presence has been recorded only in the past 200,000 years or so (if you believe the theory of evolution). If you were to chart out Earth's timeline as a football field, man's existence measures about the thickness of a blade of grass.

And we're supposed to believe that we have such an impact? What hubris!

One of my favorite debate points when someone is worried about a degree or two of change I say, "20 feet outside my door is a piece of the sandstone with a clam fossil visible. That means where my house is now used to be an ocean floor. That indicates huge change.

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Originally posted by Beanhead:
I guess my question isn’t for the rest of that don’t believe we have an impact on climate change but for those of you that believe that we do.

For you who think that we are destroying the planet, what are YOU specifically doing to save the planet?

Meaning..Are you biking to work? Are you adding Solar panels to your home? Or better yet, are you driving EV...powered by electricity made from fossil fuel?

I stated my opinions on the matter earlier in the thread. Over population. 1.6 billion in 1900, to 6 billion in 2000, to approaching 8 billion now. And some countries are trashing the ocean, treating it like their own personal toilet bowl. I have friends in Maui and plastic and trash washes up on the shores, saw it myself when I was there earlier this year. As far as climate change, I don’t know I’m not a scientist. I don’t believe in that bs but I do believe humans are trashing the place. Population has also exploded locally. I don’t drive anywhere anymore without dealing with traffic and inattentive drivers. Just too many fucking people.

As far as what I am doing?

Numero uno, not have kids. Never will either.

35 panels on the house.
DD an EV, which is powered via the panels, so sorry not powered by fossil fuels. Any grid power I use is 100% wind/solar and while we don’t have net metering in my state, my kWh plan is effectively net metering as they pay me the same price they charge per kWh. Annual kWh savings, is low 4 figures, annual gas saving low 4 figures.
I also try to drive as little as possible. I bought my property close to where the jobs are at in my sector. My commute is 10 minutes from garage to my desk at work. I loathe commuting so I did the best I could. I’m one less vehicle in those nasty commutes others have to do every work day.

Typical home owner bs. LED’s all throughout the house. Insulation, radiant barrier, replaced the single pane windows energy efficient storm windows with the gas in them. Did all the structural and efficiency stuff a few years ago and have done nearly zero cosmetic work. So basically doing the opposite of what most people do around me.

I also believe we waste too much food, especially Restaurants and Fast food joints. So I rarely go out to eat as I don’t want to support that and do my damn best to not waste food at home. Even last vacation I took, I got off the plane, got my rental vehicle, and went straight to the grocery store, had a room with a mini kitchen, etc. I did have some leftover food and drove it to my friends so it wouldn’t go to waste before I left. I put my money where my mouth is.

I recycle everything I possibly can and don’t buy anything I don’t plan on keeping permanently or until said widget doesn’t work and cannot be repaired. So I’m not at the shops shopping incessantly, buying Chinese made junk. Before I buy anything I think about it, not just about having the new shiny thing, but supporting it or upkeep or whatever, the product lifecycle. I don’t buy things on a whim and do my damn best not to be wasteful.

Next up is to xeriscape the lawn as I’m tired of paying $200 a month water bills to keep the grass green in the summer. Water here, went up 100% over a 7 year period. Sprinkler heads are inefficient so I will convert the whole sprinkler system to drip irrigation. Water use goes down, bank account goes back up.

Groceries and all utilities getting quite expensive so I made decisions to offset. I try to be extremely efficient with everything I do. I own gas vehicles (the very fast kind), shoot guns (we pick up all brass at the range for reuse), etc. Ain’t no libtard fuckhead. I hate them as much as anyone else here. My motivations were financial but I will state unequivocally that the decisions do have some positive environmental effects. And yes I am doing something but I don’t walk up to people and lecture or even talk about it unless someone else brings it up. That’s the only time it comes up with someone getting in my face about this or that. I’m not on a crusade. Saw opportunities to do things that to me are a good thing to do, and they save me money. If I had to state one motivator it would be the Middle East. 14% of our oil still comes from the region and I loathe it and the fact. So I use less gas/oil now then I ever have as I want to see the USA 100% energy independent one day. I think as a nation we can do that and then tell the Middle East, opec, whatever, to go fuck itself. When I see people attack EV’s on here and elsewhere I laugh. I don’t care if they use grid power or what. That power is made here, 100% USA home grown power. So every EV I see on the road is using American power, not Middle East powered, and it’s less emissions for better air quality. And it’s a product, nothing more. You don’t like them, don’t buy one, nobody is asking you to or forcing you to. Same thing for solar panels. Don’t like them, don’t lease or buy them.

And before you ask people, what are you doing? I think any time you have that inclination you must first state what you are doing. I mean if someone is pushing an agenda on you, in person, by all means, light them up. But nobody here is telling you what to do. You are bound only be legality. I humored you with what I do, normally I don’t speak of it and certainly don’t preach to anyone. Your opinions, strangers opinions don’t pay my bills. The last time I checked I’m allowed to have my own opinions, even if they differ with others somewhat. You don’t think there are Republicans out here who believe in many of the same things you do, but want to be a good steward of Mother Earth? I, and many aren’t on the left so attacks on these people certainly won’t do you any good. They are already on your side politically. Yep I believe humans are too numerous and treating this rock like a toilet but I will never vote for a carbon tax or any such leftist bullshit.

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Originally posted by feersum dreadnaught:
And by the way, all the models are U.N.-(un)reliable... big shocker, right?


Propagation of Error and the Reliability of Global Air Temperature Projections

In short, climate models cannot predict future global air temperatures; not for one year and not for 100 years. Climate model air temperature projections are physically meaningless. They say nothing at all about the impact of CO₂ emissions, if any, on global air temperatures.

https://www.frontiersin.org/ar...eart.2019.00223/full

I am reminded of a report several years ago that disclosed that the EPA had placed a LOT of temperature monitoring devices around to monitor temps.

Turns out that a LOT of those stations had been installed on asphalt parking lots and building roofs! Yeah, real scientific! NOT!!!

I vaguely remember data from some years ago that indicated one volcanic eruption put more CO2 into the environment than mankind did in decades (Centuries?)

As I said, that was years ago and my ancient memory is fading fast.

Many of us have used a magnifying glass to burn leaves, or bugs. That heat came from 3" diameter circle.

During the spring the temps can rise 30, or even 35 degrees in a single sunny day, and cool as much on a cloudless night. Does anyone really think if we all ran our cars, or turned on the heat and w/doors open we could change temperature readings over a county let alone a country?

The sun is on 1/2 of the earth at all times. Radiation heating and cooling as we speed thru space is what drives our average temp. Mother nature has got this. Author Michael Crichton gave a few lectures on solar influences on our climate which got my attention a few years back. You can look them up as well.

Population, pollution, and consumption are different topics entirely. Lefty global warming and man made climate change are a hoax!!

The Climate has ALWAYS changed since the creation of earth 4 BILLION years ago. Over the last 100yrs the overall global temperature has raised about .7deg Celius or so.

Saying that this tiny change is due to C02 that man manufactures is the biggest HOAX in the history of planet earth.

Simple Scientific method is that you make observations, propose theory's and models to explain those observations. If any of those models or theorys aren't repeatable in tests you scrap those models and theory's and come up with better ones. ALL of the Climate change HOAX fanatics models HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG! Not ONE of them has been repeatable and accurate. The Climate is far to complex a system to be modeled currently.

As far as CO2, it's .01% of the atmoshphere and man produces only 25 or so of the 850 Quadrillion tons of CO2 that is exchanged in our environment. Water Vapor is .5 to 4% of the Atmosphere and holds 25times more heat than C02. Man Made CO2 causing global disaster is complete NONSENSE!

The Sun radiates more heat per hour to the earth than the ENTIRE PLANET consumes in a YEAR.

The Climate Change Fanatics are nothing more Radical Socialists and Communists wanting to take control over every facet of our lives using Climate Alarmism as a major tool. They need to be fought and discredited at every turn........

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Originally posted by Prefontaine:
I humored you with what I do, normally I don’t speak of it and certainly don’t preach to anyone. Your opinions, strangers opinions don’t pay my bills. The last time I checked I’m allowed to have my own opinions, even if they differ with others somewhat.

Nothing wrong with being efficient. I suspect you have saved a good chunk of change being efficient, as well as acted on your beliefs. All to the good.

Everyone have a look at "Is Genesis History?" Fairly compelling argument that the earth is NOT "BILLIONS" of years old...

So God created the Universe and the Earth with all that geological evidence in place to fool us into a "false" belief? MY God would not do that. The book of Genesis was written by humans with little scientific knowledge and they described the visions they had the best way they could. I don't take the Creation story timeline as accurate. The events and order, probably, but not the time.

flashguy

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
Everyone have a look at "Is Genesis History?" Fairly compelling argument that the earth is NOT "BILLIONS" of years old...

Pardon me? You're joking, yes?

And, no, the Book of Genesis is not literal. The Book of Genesis is allegory, as is much of the Bible. Forgive me, but it's a big mistake to take literally every word of the Bible. Doing so has lead countless believers astray.

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Over population. 1.6 billion in 1900, to 6 billion in 2000, to approaching 8 billion now...
Just too many fucking people.

I agree with you. This population explosion is not sustainable.
But... what is the solution?
In order to answer that question, you have to look at where the population explosion is coming from. It's coming primarily from Africa, and somewhat from South America.

Unrestricted immigration, such as in Europe and our uncontrolled southern border allows Africa and South America to export much of the problem to the rest of the world.

Your personal choice to live frugal and not to have children is all well and good, but it isn't going to solve the problem. I'm not saying I have a "solution", because I don't, but I do think we should do what we can to contain the problem. We should NOT be "subsidizing" the problem by accepting uncontrolled immigration. The countries with exploding populations should have to solve their own problem of overpopulation.

A "population 'explosion,'" if it exists, still has nothing to do with any rise or fall in the Earth's temperature. This so-called explosion has been talked about for 40 years and nothing has happened.

Old news, but worthy.

https://www.naturalnews.com/05...HEFq4FM_k1LBDcavNtkY

Over 30,000 scientists say 'Catastrophic Man-Made Global Warming' is a complete hoax and science lie
Wednesday, August 31, 2016 by: Daniel Barker


(NaturalNews) The highly-politicized climate change debate rages on as we approach the crucial 2016 U.S. presidential election, despite an ever-growing body of evidence revealing the fact that "catastrophic man-made global warming" is nothing more than an elaborate hoax.

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Regarding the over population situation, I'm pretty certain the next pandemic will move the needle quite a bit.

No sense prepping for it in my opinion, or counting on it, but I think that it is the most likely big event on the horizon.

Climate change? Yes. Anthropogenic? Doubt it.
As for me, I chose not to have kids for a gob of other reasons. That is the "greenest" thing I can think of.
Suck it tree huggers.