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The prop gun could have been a shotgun. That would explain injuring two people. Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to happen as they do happen, and you will go on well. -Epictetus | |||
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I had the same thought about a shotgun. Would not be surprised to learn that Alec was screwing around or deliberately fired the weapon at the people struck. Where was the gun wrangler? ================================================ Ultron: "You're unbearably naive." Vision: "Well, I was born yesterday." | |||
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Have you EVER patterned a Shotgun. If you had you would not be making this statement. As for Alec Baldwin, a totally useless sack of shit. What is sad is that both of those shot would be alive, well, and sipping a morning cup of coffee if anyone on that set had an understanding of the rules of gun safety and the gumption to call this asshole out for mishandling a firearm. To be blunt there was prop master who also failed here. That prop master should have had the balls to step up and call out Baldwin for mishandling a firearm. I've stopped counting. | |||
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The best thing that can come from this incident is the total destruction of Baldwin's reputation and career. | |||
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I remember an article in TV Guide, written after the death of Hexum, by a television show director. In the article he mentioned that on his set that sort of incident would not have happened, the moment the scene being filmed was finished the firearm would be immediately removed from the actor. His (the director) method for using a gun in a scene was to have the special effects man show the actor however many blanks or dummy rounds would be used, load them in the firearm and then hand the weapon to the actor, when the scene was finished the effects man stepped in, took the firearm away from the actor, unloading the weapon and counting the rounds again and immediately placing the firearm in the secure locker. In the case of Hexum he was walking around on the set long after the scene had been filmed and playing with the revolver. The author of the article said on his sets his rules were inviolate, no exceptions, as he phrased it “I flew with the Blue Angels, when the performance called for flying at 100 feet we flew at 100 feet, not 99 feet, not 101 feet, 100 feet and I apply that same type of thinking to my work in the television industry.” ___________________________________________________________________________ "....imitate the action of the Tiger." | |||
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Uh, yes I have, thank you very much. I also know it’s possible on a movie set for people to be standing in close proximity, behind one another, and a little offset, enough for a tight pattern to get multiple targets. You could get the arm of the front person and get the rear person square in the chest. When dealing with blanks, a shotgun wad and filler, like cream of wheat, has more mass than anything in a pistol cartridge, and is more likely to be deadly at close range than a pistol. I don’t know what movie props use for shotgun blanks, but however they're made, they’ve got more destructive potential than a pistol cartridge. Hence my original statement.This message has been edited. Last edited by: sigcrazy7, Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to happen as they do happen, and you will go on well. -Epictetus | |||
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I wonder if this is a repeat of the 1993 Crow tragedy with Brandon Lee, if this movie is a Western then it would mean they are also using revolvers:
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I seriously doubt we will ever get the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth out of these hypocrites. The basic fact of the matter is that the simple safety procedures developed and routinely practiced by the gun community were not respected or followed, and an avoidable tragedy resulted. Perhaps if Hollywood (or the actor's precious union) adopted a policy of requiring all actors and crew that touch a firearm (real or "prop") to have completed basic firearms training and be able to demonstrate competent handling and use before they are allowed on set, we might see fewer of these "accidents." | |||
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It certainly sounds like he fired a projectile or projectiles of some sorts from a prop gun. Alec Baldwin asked why was he given ‘hot gun’ after fatal film set shooting A distraught Alec Baldwin repeatedly asked why he was given a “hot gun” after his prop weapon discharged on his New Mexico film set Thursday, accidentally killing a cinematographer and injuring the director, witnesses have claimed. The tragic accident unfolded while Baldwin was filming his upcoming Western film “Rust” at Bonanza Creek Ranch in Sante Fe. Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, 42, died and director, Joel Souza, 48, was injured after they were both struck when the gun discharged, the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office said. Immediately after the incident, an eyewitness told Hollywood gossip site Showbiz 411 that Baldwin started asking how he could have been given a “hot gun” — meaning a firearm loaded with real ammunition. “In all my years, I’ve never been handed a hot gun,” the actor allegedly kept saying. The witness said Baldwin was in shock after the ordeal and he “had no idea how badly they were hurt or Halyna was dead.” https://nypost.com/2021/10/22/...fter-fatal-shooting/ ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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I am remorse for the families of the 2 that were injured and killed. I have zero sympathy for Baldwin. He a vial hateful person and I’m sure with try and place the blame on anyone but himself. | |||
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It appears that the safety standards around these productions are lacking. He is mystified that he could be given a "hot" gun. If the actors handling these prop guns were made part of the safety mechanism with some pre-production training then I believe this could have been avoided. Why did he just take for granted that the gun he was given was in safe working order and loaded correctly? With training, he could have been the last check in a long series of checks prior to the shooting to make sure the firearm was indeed a prop gun and loaded with the proper non-lethal ammo and that there was no barrel obstruction. | |||
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Feel the same way. Alec Baldwin has now killed and injured more people with a gun than I have in 35+ years of owning “assault weapons” and “high capacity” magazines. | |||
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Movie scenes are often filmed from multiple perspectives - when you see a scene from the perspective of someone who is being shot at, the actor is firing the gun at the camera. From what has been disclosed it sounds like he fired the gun toward the camera and hit the woman behind the camera (cinematographer=camera operator) and the director, who would be there too. It's unclear whether he fired one shot or multiple shots. | |||
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As much as I despise this douche-nozzle, he might actually have a point. Sure, we all know the 4 gun safety rules, but those rules are routinely broken while making movies: 1. Treat all guns as if they are always loaded. Well, they use blanks or otherwise point at others (using SFX to add the visuals later). I imagine this leads to all sorts of complacency and bad gun handling habits. 2. Never aim/point at anything you don't want to kill or destroy. Again, they routinely point at others while filming; I imagine this develops a sense of complacency in the actors (for myself, I have a hard time even pointing a squirt gun at somebody). 3. Keep your booger-hook off the bang switch until you are ready to fire. When the guns they handle aren't 'real,' does it really matter? I use 'finger discipline' when handling a price scanner gun at Sams Club; but I grew up shooting. These california libs have not. 4. Be sure of your target and what is behind it. Routinely ignored on set while using blanks or dry-firing, or even using fake guns. If somebody handed baldwin a firearm loaded with real ammo, when everybody was expecting blanks, I would not blame baldwin for the injuries/death. It would be a major safety violation which I would blame on the gun handlers. I mean, are the actors going to check EVERY gun EVERY time they are handed one? Sure, we 'gun people' might. I would not expect the average actor, who has never handled a real gun at the range, to do so. And besides, would they even know the difference? My grandfather loaded blank shotgun shells for us to use in a small cast-iron cannon - I could never tell the difference between a 'real' and a blank. I suppose there was a weight difference, but as a teenager, I never noticed the difference. . . With a shotgun, this would require unloading every time and feeling the weight of each shell each time for each take. Imagine trying to get an actor to unload every cartridge from every magazine they use - at some point, they would just have to trust the gun handlers. Of course, this is somewhat karmic for such an anti-gun lib douche. But, I could not necessarily assign blame on baldwin at this point. Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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Prop gun fired by Alec Baldwin in fatal shooting contained live round: union The prop gun Alec Baldwin used in the accidental shooting that killed a cinematographer on his upcoming movie “Rust” and wounded the director reportedly contained a “live round.” A union that covers prop masters sent an email to its members Friday morning in which it said “a single live round was accidentally fired on set by the principal actor,” according to Indie Wire. Anthony Pawluc, secretary-treasurer of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees Local 44, wrote that the bullet struck “both the Director of Photography, Local 600 member Halnya Hutchins, and Director Joel Souza,” the site reported. https://nypost.com/2021/10/22/...campaign=android_nyp ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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I get it Hound Dog, but there is talk about charges being brought against Alec Baldwin for manslaughter because of this. Going forward, an actor can still just take the armorers word for it and accept that risk or they can be proactive and attempt to limit their liability if something goes awry. | |||
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Bullshit. Everyone who is handed a gun has the final responsibility for that gun. If you don't know what you are doing, don't handle it. Not having knowledge of guns is no excuse, In particular IF YOUR FREAKING JOB INVOLVES THE USE OF GUNS. Even if it's just an acting job. Don't know about guns, then don't take on an acting job using them. . | |||
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I would say the manslaughter charge should go to whoever mixed up the live and blank shells. THEY are the person responsible for the woman's death, IMO. I mean, there have actually been tv shows written with this sort of plotline (stuff like Murder, She Wrote, Columbo, Etc) - somebody on set slipping a live round into a 'prop' gun in order to trick an actor into actually murdering another actor. IF it is true that a live shell was accidentally put into the shotgun, then I cannot blame baldwin for this. Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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Wait, what. We have no idea how far the shooter was from the victims, do we? I don't understand why the "never patterned a shotgun" comment was made here unless the distance is known. . | |||
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I was surprised they were using blanks. My understanding had been that most of this had gone to CGI. Expect that it all will be after this tragedy. _________________________ NRA Endowment Member _________________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis | |||
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