I still find it amazing that they had several negligent discharges before to the death, and nobody took corrective action.

How freaking dumb can these people be?

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
Is that actually what happened? Shit - for some reason I thought he was rehearsing/dry firing the scene. That can't be what happened, is it? What motivation would anyone have for doing that.(albeit a prop gun). Even a blank at that range could be damaging.

No it isn't.

It is a recreation of what the family's lawyer says happened

How is there no video of this incident?

And according to that recreation, a camera was pointing right at him.

I heard Baldwin say again that he released the hammer and the gun fired. He didn't pull the trigger. There's no way that happens. He is lying or is unaware of how a single action revolver works.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
He is lying or is unaware of how a single action revolver works.

My vote is for both.

Eventually , a lot of money will change hands and the terms of the agreement will be confidential . Baldwin will never admit to anything and will continue to play the victim forever . There will be no justice for these people .

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Originally posted by selogic:
Eventually , a lot of money will change hands and the terms of the agreement will be confidential . Baldwin will never admit to anything and will continue to play the victim forever . There will be no justice for these people .

OK, so I should just close this thread, because there is no justice and all is bleak and we'll never win.

Do I have that correct?

This is a very bad habit, this "we've already lost and we'll never win" prediction crap. What is the point of this? How about we let things play out then we'll know what happens? Is that too much to ask?

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

There’s no reason why a rehearsal of the act would have involved firing a blank.

Many, including myself, think of rehearsals as actors reciting lines and practicing actions. As nothing more than an interested student of movie making, I'm learning that terms such as "rehearsal" can involve many different aspects to the process. Movie directors, directors of photography (DPs), gaffers, best boys, key grips, boom operators, costume designers, make-up artists, etc..often use rehearsals as an opportunity for checking the various aspects their individual responsibility includes.

For example, during a rehearsal, while actors are positioned on their marks, reciting their lines, and performing actions such as drawing guns, the DP might be framing the shot, checking set lighting, shadows, color, skin tones in the scene, while making adjustments as needed and either ordering lighting changes or repositioning the camera, the boom operator may check mics and sound levels while checking for echoes or stray sounds, the costume designer is checking to see how the costumes look in that specific lighting, and on and on.

Details such as shooting a revolver in a darkened church will involve both powder charge flash, gunsmoke, and possibly gunshot sound (although in modern movie making some of these can be added/ changed in post production). Too little of each and the scene loses impact on the audience. Too much flash or gunsmoke can obscure actors, actions, or change lighting through the rest of the scene, after the blank is fired.

Safety violations aside for a moment, and even though this was a rehearsal, I'm wondering if the Director or DP requested that Baldwin fire the revolver using a blank to check the camera set-up and lighting prior to actually shooting the scene.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
How is there no video of this incident?

And according to that recreation, a camera was pointing right at him.

I can turn on my digital camera, set the angle, frame the shot, set the mode, exposure, lighting & flash, zoom, mic volume etc.. all to check and set up the shot, without actually taking an actual photo or record video.

I wasn't there and obviously can't know what was happening on set, but I'm thinking the DP was using the rehearsal to check the camera and lighting set up, without the camera actually recording, prior to later filming the scene.

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Originally posted by Modern Day Savage:
I'm learning that terms such as "rehearsal" can involve many different aspects to the process.

True.
My point was that his actions with the gun could very well have been just his own practice with what he was going to be doing in the scene, and that could be rehearsal as well, but without all the rest.

We are told that we can become proficient with an optical sight on a handgun by drawing and aiming the gun 10,000,000 times (or maybe a little less ), and also that dry firing is an excellent way to hone our trigger control proficiency. I’m guessing, therefore, that at least a few of us here have combined the two elements into one sequence of action. Something like that isn’t too much different from what the actor is depicted in the animation as doing, and for basically the same reason: to become proficient with manipulating the gun in a competent and confident manner. The big difference, of course, is that no responsible gun owner would practice drawing, acquiring a sight, and pulling the trigger along with pointing the gun at some nearby person who could serve as a convenient target.

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When possible, I try to obtain the full story unfiltered by media outlets. I've seen Baldwin's state his side of the story.

I'm sharing this for others who would like to watch a video of the press conference by the lawyers for the director's family.

Included is the video, is the full animation of what the family believes occurred and the reasons why they are holding Baldwin at fault.



Direct Link:
www.YouTube.com/watch?v=vQbtXsDQX0o&t=161s

If you would like to read the complaint filed with the court, it is available at:
www.PSBlaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Complaint-Hutchins-Wrongful-Death_conformed.pdf

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Originally posted by Modern Day Savage:

I can turn on my digital camera, set the angle, frame the shot, set the mode, exposure, lighting & flash, zoom, mic volume etc.. all to check and set up the shot, without actually taking an actual photo or record video.

I'm aware of that. Nevertheless, again, how is there no actual recording of this incident?

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Originally posted by Modern Day Savage:

Safety violations aside for a moment, and even though this was a rehearsal, I'm wondering if the Director or DP requested that Baldwin fire the revolver using a blank to check the camera set-up and lighting prior to actually shooting the scene.

I find that seriously unlikely.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Modern Day Savage:

I can turn on my digital camera, set the angle, frame the shot, set the mode, exposure, lighting & flash, zoom, mic volume etc.. all to check and set up the shot, without actually taking an actual photo or record video.

I'm aware of that. Nevertheless, again, how is there no actual recording of this incident?

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Originally posted by Modern Day Savage:

Safety violations aside for a moment, and even though this was a rehearsal, I'm wondering if the Director or DP requested that Baldwin fire the revolver using a blank to check the camera set-up and lighting prior to actually shooting the scene.

I find that seriously unlikely.

I’ve never worked on a movie with a firearm but I’ve worked on a few movie sets and sat through hundreds of rehearsals for various shows/concerts/events and it doesn’t seem unlikely to me at all that some department would request that. I’m sure if that happened in this instance that it will be mentioned in court.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Modern Day Savage:

I can turn on my digital camera, set the angle, frame the shot, set the mode, exposure, lighting & flash, zoom, mic volume etc.. all to check and set up the shot, without actually taking an actual photo or record video.

I'm aware of that. Nevertheless, again, how is there no actual recording of this incident?

Because everyone allowed into the chapel was doing their job?

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:

I’ve never worked on a movie with a firearm but I’ve worked on a few movie sets and sat through hundreds of rehearsals for various shows/concerts/events and it doesn’t seem unlikely to me at all that some department would request that. I’m sure if that happened in this instance that it will be mentioned in court.

And you believe that it would be the actor performing this task?

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:

I’ve never worked on a movie with a firearm but I’ve worked on a few movie sets and sat through hundreds of rehearsals for various shows/concerts/events and it doesn’t seem unlikely to me at all that some department would request that. I’m sure if that happened in this instance that it will be mentioned in court.

And you believe that it would be the actor performing this task?

Absolutely. I mean they wouldn’t call him in from his trailer just to fire the gun for an audio or lighting test, but if he’s already there with the gun they also wouldn’t bother substituting him with some stagehand. There are all sorts of legitimate reasons that someone would have wanted him to fire the gun onset without anyone recording.

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:

Absolutely. I mean they wouldn’t call him in from his trailer just to fire the gun for an audio or lighting test, but if he’s already there with the gun they also wouldn’t bother substituting him with some stagehand. There are all sorts of legitimate reasons that someone would have wanted him to fire the gun onset without anyone recording.

Well, I think that's quite absurd. To believe an actor like Alec Baldwin would be wasting his time firing blanks so the camera and lighting effects people can fine tune their shots strikes me as ridiculous. And anyway, from all accounts, firing blanks off on set in such a manner without all the previous discussed protocols simply would never happen. An armorer would no doubt have to be present.

Furthermore, this whole discussion seems moot since we know none of this happened. Regardless of anything else, what we do know is that there was a negligent discharge. There wasn't any lighting or audio testing going on in regards to firing blanks.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by selogic:
Eventually , a lot of money will change hands and the terms of the agreement will be confidential . Baldwin will never admit to anything and will continue to play the victim forever . There will be no justice for these people .

OK, so I should just close this thread, because there is no justice and all is bleak and we'll never win.

Do I have that correct?

This is a very bad habit, this "we've already lost and we'll never win" prediction crap. What is the point of this? How about we let things play out then we'll know what happens? Is that too much to ask?

The point is , I expressed my opinion and you disagreed with it so you jumped my ass . Not the first time . I never said " We already lost and we'll never win " . I basically said that Baldwin and the insurance companies will settle and he will not admit to any fault .

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:

Absolutely. I mean they wouldn’t call him in from his trailer just to fire the gun for an audio or lighting test, but if he’s already there with the gun they also wouldn’t bother substituting him with some stagehand. There are all sorts of legitimate reasons that someone would have wanted him to fire the gun onset without anyone recording.

Well, I think that's quite absurd. To believe an actor like Alec Baldwin would be wasting his time firing blanks so the camera and lighting effects people can fine tune their shots strikes me as ridiculous. And anyway, from all accounts, firing blanks off on set in such a manner without all the previous discussed protocols simply would never happen. An armorer would no doubt have to be present.

Furthermore, this whole discussion seems moot since we know none of this happened. Regardless of anything else, what we do know is that there was a negligent discharge. There wasn't any lighting or audio testing going on in regards to firing blanks.

I don’t know if there was or wasn’t and I’m not arguing anything. I’m simply saying that based on my 21 years of experience working in the entertainment industry on movies, TV shows, concerts, award shows, festivals, live theater, concerts, sporting events and corporate events, it’s believable that if Alec Baldwin was standing there holding the gun, someone might have asked him to fire it.

If your decades of experience in the industry tells you different then I guess that is what it is.

"There are MANY law firms involved".

AB is toast, couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

The definition of Karma!

"NM jury's understand guns" - Love it.